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Old 11.12.2014, 12:54
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As has been the case for most of the wars fought down through the centuries. Muslims against Christians, Catholics against Protestants, Sunnis against Shias, Nazis against everyone else. Trying to force a belief, whatever it is, on others will always lead to conflict somewhere.
Unless of course you are on the *right" side, in which case its those who don't want your values thrust down their throat are the bad guys.

Remember how the Afghans were so right to resist the Soviets but are no so wrong to resist the Western invaders.

Why can't people just understand who is good and who is bad?

As Tom Lehrer said, "it's OK when we torture people, because we're for peace and motherhood".
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Old 11.12.2014, 12:58
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Re: Islamic State

IS is more concerned about wiping out other Muslims than the West, namely Shias. The West comes later.... after Israel, maybe the Kurds too.

Interesting how there is a chorus saying "We, we, we.... should do this or do that". Turkey amongst them, egging the US to do something in Syria, when they are sitting across the border watching the whole thing. And then when its time to actually do something, they say, "Who's going to do it? Not me! The US should do it." And then when the US acts, the same crowd goes, "Why the hell did you do that for?" We need to break that co-dependent psychology.

I think the support role the US is playing is fine, and should not engage ground troops en masse. The local population needs to deal with this for themselves. We produce our own oil now.
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Old 11.12.2014, 15:37
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Why can't people just understand who is good and who is bad?
It's easy to tell.
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Old 12.12.2014, 17:25
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Re: Islamic State

According to the ft today, China has offered to help Iraq fight ISIS.
Of course China is the biggest investor in Iraq today and has pumped in billions so they want to protect their investments especially in oil related areas.

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Old 12.12.2014, 17:38
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According to the ft today, China has offered to help Iraq fight ISIS.
Of course China is the biggest investor in China today and has pumped in billions so they want to protect their investments especially in oil related areas.
Yes, well I would expect China to be the biggest investor in China.
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Re: Islamic State

It is claimed here that Saudi is building a 600 mile wall to keep ISIS out

Bit early for April Fool jokes?
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Old 14.01.2015, 22:00
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It is claimed here that Saudi is building a 600 mile wall to keep ISIS out

Bit early for April Fool jokes?
I just Googled it and found a rather, um... "interesting' article about it on The Jewish Press (it was in the top search results).

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/brea...ff/2014/09/07/

How's THAT for objective journalism? (I must admit that the title of that article is funny -- not to mention the picture of the fence).
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Re: Islamic State

Jihadi John identity released http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...john?CMP=fb_gu
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Old 26.02.2015, 18:06
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One for the conspiracy theorists

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Old 26.02.2015, 20:45
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Re: Islamic State

Grame Wood's article for the Atlantic is a turning point in mainstream media discussions about ISIS. Its one of the best explanations yet.
What ISIS wants

If true, it turns the word Islamophobia on its head. After all, which better describes Islamophobia, to point out truths about it no matter how politically incorrect, or to deny and disavow such truths?
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Re: Islamic State

Slavery and crucifixion. Two "mainstays" of ISIS/Islamic belief that funnily enough they took from their "enemy" Rome. Why the Prophet should need to borrow from his enemy I really don't know.
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Slavery and crucifixion. Two "mainstays" of ISIS/Islamic belief that funnily enough they took from their "enemy" Rome. Why the Prophet should need to borrow from his enemy I really don't know.
If you consider Islam to be a heretical offshoot of Eastern Christianity, it makes a lot more sense.

You could call it the Orthodox reformation, sort of. ISIS are just the Westboro Baptist church of the East.
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Old 26.02.2015, 21:56
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Slavery and crucifixion. Two "mainstays" of ISIS/Islamic belief that funnily enough they took from their "enemy" Rome. Why the Prophet should need to borrow from his enemy I really don't know.
Romans did not invent these. Slavery has been since.... forever. crucifixions also practiced by ancient persians and greeks. So maybe its not as haram as you might think.
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Grame Wood's article for the Atlantic is a turning point in mainstream media discussions about ISIS. Its one of the best explanations yet.
What ISIS wants

If true, it turns the word Islamophobia on its head. After all, which better describes Islamophobia, to point out truths about it no matter how politically incorrect, or to deny and disavow such truths?
Great article, thanks for posting it. I will have to re read it several times to digest it though. ISIS are clearly an Islamic Group of sorts. I don't get your reference to Islamophobia or political correctness though.
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I don't get your reference to Islamophobia or political correctness though.
Apparently it means that giving shit to your Bosnian neighbours is entirely justified because Daesh are a bunch of vicious c***s or something.
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Old 26.02.2015, 23:26
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Great article, thanks for posting it. I will have to re read it several times to digest it though. ISIS are clearly an Islamic Group of sorts. I don't get your reference to Islamophobia or political correctness though.
To date, those connecting ISIS and Islamic terrorism to Islam are quickly painted as Islamophobic, to effectively stop the discussion. But these groups are apparently practising their interpretation of Islam. Even Al-Azhar is not willing to judge them as takfir. So pointing out this variation of Islam is not at all in itself Islamophobic. It is just true and an objective fact. But denying that this form of Islam has nothing to do with Islam indicate a fear of this form of Islam - Islamophobia. "Islamophobia" has been overused and abused as newspeak to control freedom of thought, stop cnversations and advance an agenda. It should really only be used when it is a real motive for a real crime.
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To date, those connecting ISIS and Islamic terrorism to Islam are quickly painted as Islamophobic, to effectively stop the discussion.
Could you provide examples of this, please?
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Old 27.02.2015, 00:02
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Could you provide examples of this, please?
Its a conundrum in speech between objective reality and political intentions. Muslim organizations have been lobbying for sanitation of speech that might unfairly slur Islam's reputation. CAIR in the US is quite active, and I'm sure many groups and individuals in the UK are just as active, if not more. The Obama administration has not linked Islam and Terrorism since its early years. Even the Fort Hood massacre, committed by a self proclaimed jihadist, with links to Anwra al-Awaki, was labelled "workplace violence". These recurring events are usually followed by statements that "It has nothing to do with Islam", which pretty much belie that it does. I believe the BBC has a similar policy of not associating the two. The UK have been known to ban individuals who persist in associating the two.

The intention might be good, but the problem is that reality does not support it. You kind of have to dumb down people and talk down at them to impose it. It kind of works on most people who don't really care about it any which way, but not all. I think there may be some politically pragmatic motives for it, but it prevents communication and understanding. It imposes stupidity on a mass scale. Whereas this is rally something that should be understood and discussed openly and non-judgmentally.
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So no actual examples, then.
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