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Re: Islamic State

Robert Spencer was banned from the UK for Islamophobia. Pamela Geller is another. There are other more subtle applications of the Islamophobia newspeak.

Eric Picles and Lord Khan wrote a letter asking the Muslim community for help in fighting extremisms, and they were accused of stoking Islamophobia. Rotterdam police let paedofile sex rings operate with impunity for fear of being labelled Islamophobic. French Prime MinisterValls, "The charge of Islamophobia is used to silence people." Sthephen Fry, “It is a topsy-turvy smothering of debate and an Orwellian denial of free speech to declare that speaking out against violence will cause violence”.

These are just some that come to mind. Any critique of Islamic practices are quickly labelled Islamophobia.

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I guess your autospell doesn't like Rotherham
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If you consider Islam to be a heretical offshoot of Eastern Christianity, it makes a lot more sense.

You could call it the Orthodox reformation, sort of. ISIS are just the Westboro Baptist church of the East.
That's a theory you keep repeating with no historical evidence to back it up, DB. When on earth did Eastern Christianity have these ambitions - expansions and conquering through war? I would compare it with "early" Roman Catholic church, if really needed....
Now, I usually like your posts and all that, but you are so wrong on a few matters I don't even know how to begin with...I mean, it's so obviously ridiculous and for some reason you keep drawing parallels where there are no parallels, and conclusions that somehow fit your personal views but have nothing to do with history, or reality.
I had no idea that living in rural Greece for a little while could make people believe they know and understand everything...now try and live in a very rural place somewhere in Sicily and then please tell me your conclusions.

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Old 27.02.2015, 11:02
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That's a theory you keep repeating with no historical evidence to back it up, DB. When on earth did Eastern Christianity have these ambitions - expansions and conquering through war? I would compare it with "early" Roman Catholic church, if really needed....
Now, I usually like your posts and all that, but you are so wrong on a few matters I don't even know how to begin with...I mean, it's so obviously ridiculous and for some reason you keep drawing parallels where there are no parallels, and conclusions that somehow fit your personal views but have nothing to do with history, or reality.
I had no idea that living in rural Greece for a little while could make people believe they know and understand everything...now try and live in a very rural place somewhere in Sicily and then please tell me your conclusions.

LOL, I clearly touched a nerve.


Now go and read some ****ing books and stop being so bloody ignorant.


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Old 27.02.2015, 11:05
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That's a theory you keep repeating with no historical evidence to back it up, DB. When on earth did Eastern Christianity have these ambitions - expansions and conquering through war? I would compare it with "early" Roman Catholic church, if really needed....
Now, I usually like your posts and all that, but you are so wrong on a few matters I don't even know how to begin with...
Well the Islamic terrorists commit outrageous atrocities daily affecting thousands of victims. That Westboro church in Kansas dares spout outrageous opinions nobody listens to. Its the same thing in some people's minds, apparently.
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LOL, I clearly touched a nerve.


Now go and read some ****ing books and stop being so bloody ignorant.


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Aha, your usual diatribe when people don't bloody agree with Saint DB.
I did, whereas you..
Anyway, you didn't touch any nerve because I'm not religious. Fancy that!


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Well the Islamic terrorists commit outrageous atrocities daily affecting thousands of victims. That Westboro church in Kansas dares spout outrageous opinions nobody listens to. Its the same thing in some people's minds, apparently.
It's just so ridiculous I can't even bother anymore. Frankly I don't have enough time on my hands for this silliness... Each to their own.
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Old 27.02.2015, 11:17
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Robert Spencer was banned from the UK for Islamophobia. Pamela Geller is another. There are other more subtle applications of the Islamophobia newspeak.

Eric Picles and Lord Khan wrote a letter asking the Muslim community for help in fighting extremisms, and they were accused of stoking Islamophobia. Rotterdam police let paedofile sex rings operate with impunity for fear of being labelled Islamophobic. French Prime MinisterValls, "The charge of Islamophobia is used to silence people." Sthephen Fry, “It is a topsy-turvy smothering of debate and an Orwellian denial of free speech to declare that speaking out against violence will cause violence”.

These are just some that come to mind. Any critique of Islamic practices are quickly labelled Islamophobia.
thanks, you do so like your labels! I suspected you would come up with your "freeper" (see, a label!) definition, the intent of which is designed to shut down the original definition to deny the existence of the problem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

A fuller definition is here on this EUMC study: http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/f...tations_EN.pdf
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Well the Islamic terrorists commit outrageous atrocities daily affecting thousands of victims. That Westboro church in Kansas dares spout outrageous opinions nobody listens to. Its the same thing in some people's minds, apparently.
Only in your head, Phos.
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Old 27.02.2015, 11:24
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Re: Islamic State

Islamophobia as a label for bigotry towards Muslims certainly does exist. But it has been overplayed and used where there was none. Its been used to shut down conversation and advance an agenda. When its overused like that, it loses its validity.
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Old 27.02.2015, 11:30
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Islamophobia as a label for bigotry towards Muslims certainly does exist. But it has been overplayed and used where there was none. Its been used to shut down conversation and advance an agenda. When its overused like that, it loses its validity.
its possibly overused but its in the eye of the beholder I suppose. you recognize the definition exists but don't recognize the concept.
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Old 27.02.2015, 11:40
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its possibly overused but its in the eye of the beholder I suppose. you recognize the definition exists but don't recognize the concept.
I certainly do recognize the concept. But it looks like a disproportionate concern over perceptions, opinions and free speech instead of much more needed concern over real acts committed that cause the perceptions in the first place, which has real damage and real victims.
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I certainly do recognize the concept. But it looks like a disproportionate concern over perceptions, opinions and free speech instead of much more needed concern over real acts committed that cause the perceptions in the first place, which has real damage and real victims.
ok fair enough you recognize the concept, not many do.
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Old 27.02.2015, 16:47
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Re: Islamic State

An atheist blogger has been hacked to death with meat cleavers on a public street in Bangladesh, in front of his wife. He had received death threats for criticizing religion.

A local Islamist group has praised his killing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31656222

Anyone still want to make the sweeping generalization that Islam is a peaceful religion? Can anyone cite comparable cases in the modern era in anything like the volume of recent atrocities in the name of Islam, where the roles are reversed: Muslims being murdered in the name of Christianity?
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An atheist blogger has been hacked to death with meat cleavers on a public street in Bangladesh, in front of his wife. He had received death threats for criticizing religion.


A local Islamist group has praised his killing.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31656222


Anyone still want to make the sweeping generalization that Islam is a peaceful religion? Can anyone cite comparable cases in the modern era in anything like the volume of recent atrocities in the name of Islam, where the roles are reversed: Muslims being murdered in the name of Christianity?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...5fb_story.html
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Old 27.02.2015, 16:54
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who is saying this?
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Old 27.02.2015, 16:58
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Re: Islamic State

From that report:


"Djotodia’s departure weakened the former Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, who carried out deadly attacks on Christians after they grabbed power in March, prompting the birth of Christian militias called the anti-balaka, or “anti-machete” in the local Sango language. The armed vigilantes have used the power vacuum to step up assaults on Muslims."


Sounds like tit-for-tat reprisals. Who started it? Who knows? Horrific as the situation central Africa is, I don't think it's genuinely driven by religion (much as the Northern Irish Troubles weren't).


Attacks "in the name of Islam" are rather different to open warfare along the lines of tribal or religious background.
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Old 27.02.2015, 17:01
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who is saying this?
Muslims, mostly. But also anyone who doesn't want to deal with the fundamental issues, and would rather sweep them all under that corner of the carpet occupied by "Islamic extremists".

http://www.al-islami.com/islam/religion_of_peace.php
http://islamqa.info/en/209600
http://content.time.com/time/magazin...175987,00.html

... and about 13,100,000 more links, according to Google.
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From that report:


"Djotodia’s departure weakened the former Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, who carried out deadly attacks on Christians after they grabbed power in March, prompting the birth of Christian militias called the anti-balaka, or “anti-machete” in the local Sango language. The armed vigilantes have used the power vacuum to step up assaults on Muslims."


Sounds like tit-for-tat reprisals. Who started it? Who knows? Horrific as the situation central Africa is, I don't think it's genuinely driven by religion (much as the Northern Irish Troubles weren't).


Attacks "in the name of Islam" are rather different to open warfare along the lines of tribal or religious background.
well you did ask. actually I was going to give you some more examples but I realized just a simple google would help you answer your initial question. I'm enjoying your ability to use google when it suits you.
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well you did ask. actually I was going to give you some more examples but I realized just a simple google would help you answer your initial question. I'm enjoying your ability to use google when it suits you.
Any comparable cases with the roles reversed, rather than hostilities along tribal or "religious background" lines?


Murdering atheist bloggers doesn't seem to do much to increase one's landholdings or control of resources, which is the real reason behind the "religious conflict" in central Africa and other places.
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Old 27.02.2015, 17:50
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Anyone still want to make the sweeping generalization that Islam is a peaceful religion? Can anyone cite comparable cases in the modern era in anything like the volume of recent atrocities in the name of Islam, where the roles are reversed: Muslims being murdered in the name of Christianity?
This is a good watch, an Oxford Union Debate on the very subject of whether or not Islam is a peaceful religion.

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