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Copies of the Quran that date back to the time of the prophet are in existence, so it's possible to verify that a copy of the Quran from Amazon is an exact replica of these original scripts.
No. Quran wasn't put into a book form until Abu Bakr authorized one to be coded down since a good number of Quran reciters had died in the battle of Yamama. And even this book wasn't published for general use until Uthman, the third Caliph, re-verified and prohibited the use of any other version (Which implies that there were other versions which needed to be impinged for good). It is possible that some portion of Quran was lost during the battle of Yamama. Indeed, something as important (and much maligned) as the Ayat for Rajm (Stoning) is not to be found in Quran at all (And there are hadiths where Aisha laments the loss of this verse while Muhammad was on his death bed).

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Old 02.03.2015, 02:17
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Re: Islamic State

The Iraq army are claiming to be launching an assault against Tikrit with a force of 20,000.

If the Iraqi army had not run away from a vastly inferior ISIS force last year then we would not have this problem today.
Quote "Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters."
Now almost a year later we still do not have a credible explanation of why or how this ludicrous defeat happened.
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The Iraq army are claiming to be launching an assault against Tikrit with a force of 20,000.

If the Iraqi army had not run away from a vastly inferior ISIS force last year then we would not have this problem today.
Quote "Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters."
Now almost a year later we still do not have a credible explanation of why or how this ludicrous defeat happened.

The Iraqi Army did not run away, and ISIS was NOT inferior but superior as it for quite a while had the Support of the Ba'ath Party of Iraq under the command of


.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzat_Ibrahim_al-Douri


the RED COMMANDER split away from ISIS as he is a Secularist
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The Iraq army are claiming to be launching an assault against Tikrit with a force of 20,000.

If the Iraqi army had not run away from a vastly inferior ISIS force last year then we would not have this problem today.
Quote "Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters."
Now almost a year later we still do not have a credible explanation of why or how this ludicrous defeat happened.

the IRAQI AIR FORCE only got restarted recently thanks to Mr Putin who supplied fighter planes and not just words. Yes, Hardware delivered is rather dated but the Iraqî Air Force and the Iraqi artillery of the future will rely heavily on the USSR .--- sorry I mean Russia


The USA dismantled the Iraqi Armed Forces, destroyed the Air Force, dismantled the Artillery, destroyed the tank force ---- and then was surprised that the GWB created govenrment was unable to persevere
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Old 03.03.2015, 13:27
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Re: Islamic State

Never mind terrorism, this is getting serious!
Quote here "Maharashtra bans beef, 5 years jail"
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Re: Islamic State

I wonder if the Iraqi army have fired up the JCBs yet to dig the large rectangular holes they'll need.
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Old 04.03.2015, 00:21
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I wonder if the Iraqi army have fired up the JCBs yet to dig the large rectangular holes they'll need.
The Iraqi army panic and fall apart when attacked. That is how they lose.
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The Iraqi army panic and fall apart when attacked. That is how they lose.

The Situation has changed. They now have weapons and ammunition. And the Kurdish Forces have become allies.


And once they have Tikrit back, they can liberate Mossul
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Old 04.03.2015, 08:54
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Re: Islamic State

I watched a video of how they moved in the heat of battle. They scuttled around. No poise and no confidence. If it were a basketball game, they are headed for a blowout. They already need a timeout to regroup.
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The Situation has changed. They now have weapons and ammunition. And the Kurdish Forces have become allies.


And once they have Tikrit back, they can liberate Mossul
The problem is that they hold a deep suspicion of the Kurdish forces. It remains to be seen how well they will gel. I for one always supported the use of Peshmergha to blunt the ISIS. They are the only local force (in fact any force) that was doing anything of importance on ground.

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The Situation has changed. They now have weapons and ammunition. And the Kurdish Forces have become allies.


And once they have Tikrit back, they can liberate Mossul
The battle for Tikrit seems to be going well for Iraq. Iraq forces are supported by Iran and Iraq has so far not asked for any specific Western help for this battle.
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Re: Islamic State

This makes for interesting reading, its by Fawaz Gerges, Professor of ME studies at the LSE:

http://currenthistory.com/Gerges_Current_History.pdf
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This makes for interesting reading, its by Fawaz Gerges, Professor of ME studies at the LSE:

http://currenthistory.com/Gerges_Current_History.pdf
Not much new from the "Libyan School of Economics", he doesn't suggest any ways of defeating ISIS except a miracle:

"In the short- to medium-term, it would take
a political miracle to engineer a settlement in
Syria, given the disintegration of the country and
the fragmentation of power among rival warlords
and fiefdoms, not to mention the regional and
great power proxy wars playing out there. Until
there is a regional and international agreement
to end the Syrian civil war, ISIS will continue to
entrench itself in the country’s provinces and
cities
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And usual excuses for ISIS recruits:
"Muslims living in Western countries join ISIS and
other extremist groups because they want to be part
of a tight-knit community with a potent identity. "


The Chechen involvement is interesting, though. After fighting the Russians, the Syrian army is a weaker opponent.
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And usual excuses for ISIS recruits:
"Muslims living in Western countries join ISIS and
other extremist groups because they want to be part
of a tight-knit community with a potent identity. "

excuses or do you mean explanations?
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excuses or do you mean explanations?
Excuses - we keep hearing how religious communities are "tight knit". I guess the ISIS volunteers are looking for "water tight". That, and rape & pillage. and cool pics in FB.
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Excuses - we keep hearing how religious communities are "tight knit". I guess the ISIS volunteers are looking for "water tight". That, and rape & pillage. and cool pics in FB.
it doesn't surprise me at all that you don't appreciate the excellent article
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Re: Islamic State

Please enlighten the forum with the insights gained from the article, or will you simply send red blobbies instead?
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Re: Islamic State

There is no way that ISIS can be beaten without extensive military action, which simply isn't going to happen.

So it looks like Israel is going to have to deal with it all by herself. Again.

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Please enlighten the forum with the insights gained from the article, or will you simply send red blobbies instead?
I am not enlightened enough to enlighten others on this subject so that is why I posted this excellent article by a leading expert on the region. Frankly the article is pretty clear, interesting and enlightening in itself. If you want more red blobbies, keep op posting your drivel, I am sure others will oblige!
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Re: Islamic State

If you are looking for knowledge about the middle east, LSE is not the place to go and this article is a good example : a collection of politically correct cliches without new insights or facts.

The sad fact is that ISIS, Assad and the other combatants are brutal murderers and whoever wins that war won't make things better for Syrians and their neighbors.
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