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Old 05.07.2015, 15:13
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Re: Islamic State

Just an observation: nobody has commented in this thread on the 25 Syrian soldiers executed by IS in the ancient Theatre of Palmyra. Are we now so used to the atrocities committed by these barbarians that we have become blasé about such events?

I hope the self-styled "forces of good" cooperate to obliterate IS, so it can never return. The number of individuals fighting for IS who are prepared -- possibly even relish the opportunity -- to commit the most heinous crimes and offences against humanity is truly terrifying. Only complete destruction of the entire organisation can achieve lasting security and confidence in the future of the region.
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Just an observation: nobody has commented in this thread on the 25 Syrian soldiers executed by IS in the ancient Theatre of Palmyra. Are we now so used to the atrocities committed by these barbarians that we have become blasé about such events?
They simply have the wrong nationality/belief.

1 US-american = 5 Europeans = 25 non-muslim EMEA/Africans = 150 muslims

or something like that
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Old 06.07.2015, 13:50
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Just an observation: nobody has commented in this thread on the 25 Syrian soldiers executed by IS in the ancient Theatre of Palmyra. Are we now so used to the atrocities committed by these barbarians that we have become blasé about such events?

I hope the self-styled "forces of good" cooperate to obliterate IS, so it can never return. The number of individuals fighting for IS who are prepared -- possibly even relish the opportunity -- to commit the most heinous crimes and offences against humanity is truly terrifying. Only complete destruction of the entire organisation can achieve lasting security and confidence in the future of the region.
IS is another genocidal Islamist terrorist organization, no shortage of those in the middle east. It is currently fighting a fascist regime whose methods helped trigger the current war in Syria. Such regimes are the norm in the Arab world from Alegria to Yemen with very few exceptions.

How would you obliterate IS ? bring back the French mandate or the Ottoman empire ? support Assad ?
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Old 06.07.2015, 14:04
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Just an observation: nobody has commented in this thread on the 25 Syrian soldiers executed by IS in the ancient Theatre of Palmyra. Are we now so used to the atrocities committed by these barbarians that we have become blasé about such events?
Yupp.

And media-wise, well, they're not "our" soldiers, so they don't get half the press coverage.
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Old 08.07.2015, 14:13
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IS is another genocidal Islamist terrorist organization, no shortage of those in the middle east. It is currently fighting a fascist regime whose methods helped trigger the current war in Syria. Such regimes are the norm in the Arab world from Alegria to Yemen with very few exceptions.

How would you obliterate IS ? bring back the French mandate or the Ottoman empire ? support Assad ?
Abdelaziz Bouteflika is the democratically elected president of Algeria, and while Dr Assad is a dictator indeed, compared with ISIS he is an angel in disguise
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Old 08.07.2015, 14:32
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Re: Islamic State

ISIS has taken root in Iraq, Libya, Syria etc.. basically all the countries that the Western Allies have interfered in. So in that sense let me be brutally pragmatic, I would rather have a dictator in charge than a death cult of homicidal maniacs from Birmingham or Lyon imposing their own brand of Pop Sharia on a terrified population.
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They simply have the wrong nationality/belief.

1 US-american = 5 Europeans = 25 non-muslim EMEA/Africans = 150 muslims

or something like that

Every country prioritizes the safety of and focuses a disproportionate amount of attention on their own citizens whenever any kind of tragedy takes place, it's not just the "US-americans " that do it.
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Old 08.07.2015, 19:32
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ISIS has taken root in Iraq, Libya, Syria etc.. basically all the countries that the Western Allies have interfered in. So in that sense let me be brutally pragmatic, I would rather have a dictator in charge than a death cult of homicidal maniacs from Birmingham or Lyon imposing their own brand of Pop Sharia on a terrified population.
ISIS is also strong in Egypt and is fighting in Tunisia. So you can't blame it on "western intervention". The countries you mentioned are western inventions that can either be held together by force or royalty.
ISIS is strong because Arab states are weak and failing their citizens.
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isis has taken root in iraq, libya, syria etc.. Basically all the countries that the western allies have f***ed up. So in that sense let me be brutally pragmatic, i would rather have a dictator in charge than a death cult of homicidal maniacs from birmingham or lyon imposing their own brand of pop sharia on a terrified population.
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Old 08.07.2015, 20:05
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Errr I don't think so Pashosh. They are about as established in Tunisia as they are in Denmark i.e. the threats are mainly recently returned fighters from the front line who now pose a security risk or impressionable youngsters with too much time to surf the net.

As for Egypt, yes they are running amok in the Sinai but the net is quickly closing in and I'm sure Israel is keen to help Sisi eliminate the common threat.
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Old 08.07.2015, 21:02
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Errr I don't think so Pashosh. They are about as established in Tunisia as they are in Denmark i.e. the threats are mainly recently returned fighters from the front line who now pose a security risk or impressionable youngsters with too much time to surf the net.

As for Egypt, yes they are running amok in the Sinai but the net is quickly closing in and I'm sure Israel is keen to help Sisi eliminate the common threat.
There is a civil war in Tunisia but obviously you are not aware of it as long as Europeans are not involved. This may mar your romantic views about Tunisia as democracy, but it's the sad reality.

Egypt has been fighting islamists in Sinai for years and so far failed to defeat them.
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They simply have the wrong nationality/belief.

1 US-american = 5 Europeans = 25 non-muslim EMEA/Africans = 150 muslims

or something like that
Yeah right, but I don't know why (erhm, I do actually) I'm pretty sure that, for instance, for the Swiss 1 Swiss=10 foreigners (the "wrong" sort) und so weiter und so fort...

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Re: Islamic State

Probably one of the best articles on the topic: The personality that's most vulnerable to Islamic State recruitment in the West
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Re: Islamic State

Interesting article telling us that the most vulnerable to ISIS recruitment in the west is a confused, gullible teenager who tend to think in "Black and white". I'm glad it narrowed the field.

The Pashosh institute of Peace studies (PIPS) has come up with a prevention strategy: document teenagers in west wearing their birthday suits, extra credit for documenting sexual activity. Should the confused teen decide to join ISIS or even post pro ISIS comments on Social media publish the documentation. The embarrassment factor will deter most.

The plan can be extended to cover FIFA officials and people who's luggage takes up seats in public transport.
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Errr I don't think so Pashosh. They are about as established in Tunisia as they are in Denmark
Which part of Denmark has roadside bombs ?
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The article is two years old and as far as I can gather Al Qaeda in the Maghreb is still distinct from ISIS.
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The article is two years old and as far as I can gather Al Qaeda in the Maghreb is still distinct from ISIS.
Both are Genocidal Islamists, why nitpick ?
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Interesting article telling us that the most vulnerable to ISIS recruitment in the west is a confused, gullible teenager who tend to think in "Black and white". I'm glad it narrowed the field.

The Pashosh institute of Peace studies (PIPS) has come up with a prevention strategy: document teenagers in west wearing their birthday suits, extra credit for documenting sexual activity. Should the confused teen decide to join ISIS or even post pro ISIS comments on Social media publish the documentation. The embarrassment factor will deter most.

The plan can be extended to cover FIFA officials and people who's luggage takes up seats in public transport.

On one hand, you are quite right - what teen isn't confused and gullible? But on the other hand, this is a bit more specific - these kids are seeking an identity. And yeah, you could argue that's normal too but I think this goes deeper - there was an interesting story in the NY Times last week about a socially isolated teen and the extensive courting by IS.

There is a segment of disenfranchised people who crave any attention and sense of belonging. Then they are sucked in and it's awful. So it's a cautionary tale - though it means that fighting IS needs to happen at this level too.
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Re: Islamic State

An older but always relevant article from The Atlantic on Daesh (BTW we should stop referring to them as a "state", which they're not):

What ISIS really wants

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ISIS has taken root in Iraq, Libya, Syria etc.. basically all the countries that the Western Allies have interfered in. So in that sense let me be brutally pragmatic, I would rather have a dictator in charge than a death cult of homicidal maniacs from Birmingham or Lyon imposing their own brand of Pop Sharia on a terrified population.
Sykes and Picot both love you, Castro.
In reality we could have engaged - but we did not - in some good old nation building instead of just resource plundering and carving up of territories, etc.
But alas history has no rewind button. So here we are.
Yes maybe some kind of enlightened dictator -- someone who knows how to terrorize those worthy of his enlightened rage -- would be better than this mass of self deluded, ignorant, bloodthirsty savages (who in part are also members of our civilized societies).


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