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Old 29.09.2015, 14:10
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But Egypt has a functioning economy and society. there are remote areas the government can't control, but there is impression of stability, no? I don't get the sense the majority of Egyptians would choose radicalism, especially seeing what Syria looks like now.

But then perhaps Merkel inspires them with hopes they might end up in Germany.

Tunisia is doing relatively well, no? What works there and can the approach work elsewhere?
Syria was also a functioning economy some years back. And it was a fairly progressive one at that, at least from the point of view of tolerance towards Christians and other minority religions (a point it shared in common with Egypt). It was factitious elements from other countries that went in and started the present mayhem. I don't see any reason that Egypt should be more averse to that. All you need do is scare away tourists and bomb the Suez Canal and Egypt instantly loses important sources of income, with large parts of the country slipping into poverty as a result. People can radicalize fairly quickly if you destabilize the society they are part of. Remember Egypt has open and virtually uncontrolable borders to countries like Libya and Sudan that already have a high degree of lawlessness and radicalization.
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About "Toppling Assad now will do more damage a la Iraq vis a vis Saddam" Too late, the Genie is out of the bottle and Syria can never be put back together.
Yes and No. Yes, it will not be the same 'kind of' Syria. But, No, it will be some sort of stable Syria minus the menace that is IS. It may still operate in a more humane manner.
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Old 29.09.2015, 14:59
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The Egyptian army is a pretty stong and has a tight grip. It seems it would have to be a mutiny within the army itself for it to collapse. Not impossible, but doesn't seem like its in the works, although I would plead total ignorance as to what is happening there. It just seems to me that Egyptians would rather go this path than to pledge allegiance to ISIS.
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It worked there because there was little outside interference in their affairs. They didn't have the Russians, Iranians, Gulf States, Turkey, Europe and the US fighting a proxy war on their soil.
I think this is too simplistic.

Egypt didn't have foreign interference and you see the mess they are in.
I think that the main reason why it worked in Tunisia is the fact that the old regime didn't resist and let the people do democratic elections.
In Bahrain they also didn't go into chaos for the exact opposite reason: the regime crashed the demonstrators.

On the other hand:
In Egypt they let the people do elections and when they didn't like the result they imprisoned the elected president (or prime minister?). Result: chaos.
Qaddafi in Libya and Assad in Syria were too strong to let go, which led to the disastrous civil wars.
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Re: Islamic State

US Officials Ask How ISIS Got So Many Toyota Trucks - ABC News -

http://abcn.ws/1FS1ggQ

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US Officials Ask How ISIS Got So Many Toyota Trucks - ABC News -

http://abcn.ws/1FS1ggQ

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lol... same place Saddam Hussein got his toys.

They really are full of shit, aren't they?
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Old 07.10.2015, 10:35
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I've often wondered that, perhaps the question should be sent to the correct department e.g. Asset Procurement at Langley

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Old 07.10.2015, 10:58
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I think this is too simplistic.

Egypt didn't have foreign interference and you see the mess they are in.
I think that the main reason why it worked in Tunisia is the fact that the old regime didn't resist and let the people do democratic elections.
In Bahrain they also didn't go into chaos for the exact opposite reason: the regime crashed the demonstrators.

On the other hand:
In Egypt they let the people do elections and when they didn't like the result they imprisoned the elected president (or prime minister?). Result: chaos.
Qaddafi in Libya and Assad in Syria were too strong to let go, which led to the disastrous civil wars.

The old Regime was against the wife of the President


In Egypt People voted for a president who broke his promises. The chaos was produced by Mr Mursi. Marshal Sisi has corrected the chaos quite remarkably and moved Egypt out of chaos


Egypt in fact DID have foreign interference for 150 years


Dr Assad, a reform minded gent,w as NOT strong but dominated by his family clan


Colonel Khaddafi is a tragic case
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Old 22.11.2015, 12:59
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Re: Islamic State

Here's an interesting article, tabulating the positions that the leading global contenders for the US presidency in 2016 are currently taking on Islamic State.
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Old 29.11.2015, 00:58
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Re: Islamic State

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Re: Islamic State

A large minority (up to 45% in some places) of Arab youth supports ISIS, How will the Arab world resolve this mess ?
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Old 14.01.2016, 18:28
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ABU DHABI - A majority of Arab Muslim youths see the actions of extremists such as the Islamic State group and Al-Qaeda as a perversion of Islam's teachings, according to a new poll.

The Zogby Research Services poll of 5,374 young Muslim men and women from the Middle East and North Africa also found that many millennials blame corruption and repressive governments for the rise of jihadist groups.

"At least three-quarters of millennial respondents in all countries surveyed" said movements like ISIS and Al-Qaeda "are either a complete perversion of Islam's teachings or mostly wrong," the polling firm said.

The survey was conducted in October and November 2015 with respondents aged 15 to 34 in Morocco, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan, and the Palestinian territories.

More than 90 percent of respondents in Morocco and the UAE called both extremist groups a "complete perversion of Islam," as did 83 percent of respondents in Egypt and more than 60 percent in Bahrain and Jordan.
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Re: Islamic State

The answer is in the article: almost 40% of Bahraini youth don't see ISIS as a "perversion of Islam". Any figure larger than 2% is worrying, 40% is terrible.
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Re: Islamic State

Dutchman arrested on suspicion of killing IS fighters
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35327313
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35327313




Hard to convict without an actual corpse?
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Old 29.01.2016, 18:19
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Re: Islamic State

Claims in the guardian here that a secret sniper is killing off ISIS leaders in the Libyan port of Sirtes.

I would guess any deaths are more due to internal ISIS disputes but anything is possible!!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35327313
On what grounds do Dutch authorities think it's any of their business what somebody did in Syria?

Not counting Russia, no country has any business being active in Syria, nor do they have any say there as under international law any such thing would require either a UN mandate or for the legitimate government to ask for their help.
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Old 30.01.2016, 14:56
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Not counting Russia, no country has any business being active in Syria, nor do they have any say there as under international law any such thing would require either a UN mandate or for the legitimate government to ask for their help.
Why is Russia exempt?
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Old 30.01.2016, 17:02
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Why is Russia exempt?

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The Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War began on 30 September 2015, following a formal request by the Syrian government for military help against rebel and jihadist groups.
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Why is Russia exempt?
It's not that Russia would be exempt by default, but they are in this case because:

Under international law an intervention abroad is lawful under either of two preconditions only:

a) the intervention happens under the umbrella of a UN mandate
There's no UN resolution on interventions in Syria.

b) the legal government asks for it
The Assad regime is the recognized, internationally accepted and thus lawful government of Syria. They asked Russia only for help. That makes Russia the only lawful foreign force in Syria while all europen countries, the USA, Iran, KSA, Lebanon, Turkey and all other forces act in Syria illegally.
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