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Old 25.09.2014, 17:15
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imho IS are just a more spectacular and media savvy version of Al Qaida. I don't think it would take much for the US to take them out militarily, its really about collateral damage.
And to this point, Obama does not want the US to do it all by itself. He wants the locals to do it themselves. I agree with this. But we do have trigger happy military leaders who would like to deploy American soldiers and test out their new toys. This would surely be even more disastrous.
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Old 25.09.2014, 17:16
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imho IS are just a more spectacular and media savvy version of Al Qaida. I don't think it would take much for the US to take them out militarily
Ahem, like in Afghanistan?
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Old 25.09.2014, 17:18
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Re: Islamic State

you may be right, I was thinking more of Libya.

do you think the terrain and fighting culture of the locals is the same in Iraq and Syria as it is in Afghanistan?
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Old 25.09.2014, 17:21
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But we do have trigger happy military leaders who would like to deploy American soldiers and test out their new toys. .
are you American? I thought you were Israeli. apologies if I got this wrong
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do you think the terrain and fighting culture of the locals is the same in Iraq and Syria as it is in Afghanistan?
Perhaps. Importantly the terrain is equally unknown to the US. Or may be you would like to look all the way back to Vietnam.
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Old 25.09.2014, 17:32
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Re: Islamic State

I have already mentioned this before, there's a video on youtube called "meeting ISIL", its a fascinating documentary. all the recruits get a months training and then get sent into the field. they're scary to local civilians but I seriously doubt they're a match for a professional Western army
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Old 25.09.2014, 17:50
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are you American? I thought you were Israeli. apologies if I got this wrong
Nationality and gender is apparently irrelevant here. :-)

As you know, Americans are great with quick, short-term results. They can suck at long-term results. They got to Baghdad in a couple of days. Also, Iraq is apparently difficult to defend against blitz raids. ISIS also proved this. As you said, the Iraqis will likely fight by attrition. Americans tend to get bored with anything that lasts for more than one election cycle.
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Old 25.09.2014, 19:05
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all the recruits get a months training and then get sent into the field. they're scary to local civilians but I seriously doubt they're a match for a professional Western army
Nobody doubts that americans, or even the coalesced gulf countries (if they are determined and their soldiers follow authority), can steamroll them.

The issue is that after you occupy, the generic terrorism stuff like starts to happen, and while you can maybe stay a few months to arrest the foreign fighters that don't manage to flee, all the arab fighters will just blend back into the civil society and keep bombing you.

Just look at the Sinai peninsula. It's a small area and yet the egyptian security forces can't lay down the law in it and their buses keep getting bombed.
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Old 25.09.2014, 22:57
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Nobody doubts that americans, or even the coalesced gulf countries (if they are determined and their soldiers follow authority), can steamroll them.

The issue is that after you occupy, the generic terrorism stuff like starts to happen, and while you can maybe stay a few months to arrest the foreign fighters that don't manage to flee, all the arab fighters will just blend back into the civil society and keep bombing you.

Just look at the Sinai peninsula. It's a small area and yet the egyptian security forces can't lay down the law in it and their buses keep getting bombed.
About "Just look at the Sinai peninsula. It's a small area " A small area? About three times the size of Wales? Or slightly smaller than Scotland?
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Old 26.09.2014, 04:44
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No, they will not. The British and American maybe. They were involved in the last iteration of that fun ride down there and have both citizens as part of victims and the slayers alike. For the rest of Europe the priority will be the Ukraine for now.

Especially for the EU who is partially responsible for the current status and continues to act irresponsibly. At one point they will have to wake up from the coward mode. The Crimea is probably lost for good, for the East of the Ukraine the future status is unknown, but the rest of Europe will not have to worry. Putin can't possibly be that stupid.

Responsible for the current Status are the EU, the USA and the Arab League. But what did YOU know about ISIS in March 2014 ? To be honest,. in my case it is ZERO


ISIS, with a single killing, managed to make the French furious by attacking the GLOIRE of the Republic


Your praising of the British position however is rubbish. Unlike Mrs Thatcher and Mr Major --- Mr Cameron only gave speeches but no action, revealing him as the coward he IS


East Ukraine ? You mean the area where Mr Poroshenko got miserable results in the Presidential elections ? Where his opponents have their power bases ?
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Old 26.09.2014, 14:00
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Responsible for the current Status are the EU, the USA and the Arab League. But what did YOU know about ISIS in March 2014 ? To be honest,. in my case it is ZERO


ISIS, with a single killing, managed to make the French furious by attacking the GLOIRE of the Republic


Your praising of the British position however is rubbish. Unlike Mrs Thatcher and Mr Major --- Mr Cameron only gave speeches but no action, revealing him as the coward he IS


East Ukraine ? You mean the area where Mr Poroshenko got miserable results in the Presidential elections ? Where his opponents have their power bases ?
You mean the East Ukraine where most people were not allowed to vote?
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Old 26.09.2014, 15:37
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Unlike Mrs Thatcher and Mr Major --- Mr Cameron only gave speeches but no action, revealing him as the coward he IS
Wolli, do you actually have any idea how the UK government works? The UK is a democratic nation with houses of parliament dominated by two parties (or coalitions of parties). Major issues that affect the nation as a whole, such as committing British forces to armed combat, are debated there before a vote is taken on the way forward. The prime minister cannot ordinarily decide to take such action unilaterally, except in times of war. Britain is not currently at war, and even if there were any desire to declare war, against which country would she do so?

David Cameron is personally in favour of engaging IS militarily, but the decision to do so is not his alone. And that's a good thing.
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Old 26.09.2014, 15:50
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wolli, do you actually have any idea how anything works?

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Old 26.09.2014, 20:37
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Re: Islamic State

What a surprise
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29385123
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Old 26.09.2014, 21:57
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Wankers. They looked pretty stupid not signing on in the first place. Even Belgium called the ante.
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Wankers. They looked pretty stupid not signing on in the first place. Even Belgium called the ante.
Huh?

You seem to understand as much about democracy as Wolli.
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Re: Islamic State

Does anyone know if Switzerland is making any sort of contribution to sorting this problem?
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Does anyone know if Switzerland is making any sort of contribution to sorting this problem?
They've decided to offer ISIL particularly low interest rates.
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Does anyone know if Switzerland is making any sort of contribution to sorting this problem?

Probably hedging their bets.
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