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Murder of Nemtzov is horrible news, I hope the murderers are found and brought to justice.

When was the last time Nemtzov made ANY news before the murder? When was the last time Nemtzov news reached ANY of you? Whoever killed Nemtzov -- his murder will be the most damaging for Putin and his government. Because before nobody remembered the guy, but now everybody is talking about Putin's critic being gunned down in the center of Moskow.
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Old 28.02.2015, 11:20
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Preliminary investigation reports are in:

-it was Obama and his CIA doing a "false-flag" operation

-it was Right-Sector agents sent by the Facist Juanta in Ukraine to provoke Russia into war (radar images of a Ukrainian SU25 fighter plane over the Kremlin will be released soon in a military briefing to support this)

-it was homosexuals from Western Europe just killing people randomly
Maybe Russia ran out of Polonium? Or maybe Nemtzov was smart enough to drink only coffee?

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Murder of Nemtzov is horrible news, I hope the murderers are found and brought to justice.

When was the last time Nemtzov made ANY news before the murder? When was the last time Nemtzov news reached ANY of you? Whoever killed Nemtzov -- his murder will be the most damaging for Putin and his government. Because before nobody remembered the guy, but now everybody is talking about Putin's critic being gunned down in the center of Moskow.
Interesting that posters all over the world in different forums and media are identically saying "When was the last time Nemtzov made ANY news before the murder? When was the last time Nemtzov news reached ANY of you?" What is the hidden message they are trying to say? From which script are they reading?

Here is a potted history of Nemtzov.
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Old 28.02.2015, 11:22
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When was the last time Nemtzov made ANY news before the murder? When was the last time Nemtzov news reached ANY of you?
You never hear about opposition leaders because they are stomped out before they can gain any traction. They are either killed, put in jail, or forced to flee the country. The only 2 Russian opposition figures I can name are Khardokovsky and Kasparov, both of who have found living in Putin's Russia too dangerous and live abroad.
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From which script are they reading?
Ask everybody that question... it is an enlightning experience.
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Old 28.02.2015, 11:25
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Leonie, I'd believe your post if political killings in Russia were an exception and not the norm.
Here an article from Pravda.ru:
http://www.pravda.ru/news/accidents/...489-nemtsov-0/
What it says? "Whom may this killing help".

It also writes that Nemtsov was seen with a young lady and it could be a jealous husband revenge.

Some context from the American side:
Boris Nemtsov, Putin Foe, Is Shot Dead in Shadow of Kremlin
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In recent years, Mr. Nemtsov’s star had been eclipsed by Aleksei A. Navalny, the anticorruption blogger who played a leading role in the 2011 protests. But Mr. Nemtsov remained active and was a leading organizer of this weekend’s planned rally [to protest the war in Ukraine].

Mr. Nemtsov was organizing the rally in part because Mr. Navalny is currently serving a two-week jail sentence for handing out leaflets on the subway. The rally was also noteworthy because it was the first political action inside Russia specifically endorsed by Mikhail B. Khodorkovsky, the exiled former political prisoner, who had signed the petition for a parade permit.
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Leonie, I'd believe your post if political killings in Russia were an exception and not the norm.
Here an article from Pravda.ru:
http://www.pravda.ru/news/accidents/...489-nemtsov-0/
What it says? "Whom may this killing help".

It also writes that Nemtsov was seen with a young lady and it could be a jealous husband revenge.

Some context from the American side:
Boris Nemtsov, Putin Foe, Is Shot Dead in Shadow of Kremlin
About "Nemtsov was seen with a young lady and it could be a jealous husband revenge."
Good news for lead investigator Putin, he will be able to find the husband and lock him up very quickly
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Russia and NATO in the News

On kasparov.ru (blocked in Russia during Crimea annexation) someone wrote a comment that the place of murder is really heavily policed and anybody trying to hang any political poster
would be stopped within 5min, so not a likely choice for shooting.
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Old 28.02.2015, 12:42
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About "Nemtsov was seen with a young lady and it could be a jealous husband revenge."
Good news for lead investigator Putin, he will be able to find the husband and lock him up very quickly
Next likely step is the "husband" will be overcome with remorse and will commit "suicide" so avoiding answering difficult questions.

According to witnesses there were several shooters so she must have had more than one husband
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Murder of Nemtzov is horrible news, I hope the murderers are found and brought to justice.

When was the last time Nemtzov made ANY news before the murder? When was the last time Nemtzov news reached ANY of you? Whoever killed Nemtzov -- his murder will be the most damaging for Putin and his government. Because before nobody remembered the guy, but now everybody is talking about Putin's critic being gunned down in the center of Moskow.
About "before nobody remembered the guy" There are a lot of people laying flowers for someone nobody remembers.
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About "before nobody remembered the guy" There are a lot of people laying flowers for someone nobody remembers.
He had a very small party but was in front in deferent protests for peace. Of course it's not like a nobody. But it is not a major political figure either.
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Russia and NATO in the News

Trying to have a large, non-system opposition party in Russia may get one acquainted with the climatic health resorts in the East Siberia (physical exercises included) because of taxes unpaid.
Even Kasparov was shortly detained.
All "major political figures" are blessed by Kremlin. All others may feel lucky if they're left as a bait for others.
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All "major political figures" are blessed by Kremlin.
So we agree he was not a major figure and not a nobody either. We're making progress in the anti-Russian threads. And I don't even like Russia.
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According to witnesses there were several shooters so she must have had more than one husband
Was her age and occupation already mentioned here?



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Leonie, I'd believe your post if political killings in Russia were an exception and not the norm.
Here an article from Pravda.ru:
http://www.pravda.ru/news/accidents/...489-nemtsov-0/
What it says? "Whom may this killing help".

It also writes that Nemtsov was seen with a young lady and it could be a jealous husband revenge.

Some context from the American side:
Boris Nemtsov, Putin Foe, Is Shot Dead in Shadow of Kremlin
Nemtzov has been killed right before the rally.
Originally this rally has been planned to be somewhere at the outskirts of Moscow but moved closer to the center of Moscow after the murder. This rally now will be officially held in memory of Nemtzov. I was watching the Russian TV today, all high positioned officials are acting scared and urging people to avoid provocations at the tomorrow's rally. I am very worried that the rally might turn violent.

I find remarkable that all the Western corporate news took this murder to their front pages -- very unified response. The man was neither a major political figure, nor was he a serious opposition leader. By the time of his death he was a member of the Parlament of the city of Yaroslavl -- so he was a part of the official political system, and not a big part. He was also known as the "playboy" for going out with numerous call girls so he was a not really a serious politician. In no way was he a threat to Putin whatsoever.
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Old 01.03.2015, 13:00
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Nemtzov has been killed right before the rally.
Originally this rally has been planned to be somewhere at the outskirts of Moscow but moved closer to the center of Moscow after the murder. This rally now will be officially held in memory of Nemtzov. I was watching the Russian TV today, all high positioned officials are acting scared and urging people to avoid provocations at the tomorrow's rally. I am very worried that the rally might turn violent.

I find remarkable that all the Western corporate news took this murder to their front pages -- very unified response. The man was neither a major political figure, nor was he a serious opposition leader. By the time of his death he was a member of the Parlament of the city of Yaroslavl -- so he was a part of the official political system, and not a big part. He was also known as the "playboy" for going out with numerous call girls so he was a not really a serious politician. In no way was he a threat to Putin whatsoever.
You claim Nemtzov was a minor figure. Look at the picture of the huge pile of flowers and all the people who are visiting the site of the killing and mourning.

Back in 2011 the Guardian here published a list of the top four Russian opposition figures; and yes Nemtzov was on the list

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You claim Nemtzov was a minor figure. Look at the picture of the huge pile of flowers and all the people who are visiting the site of the killing and mourning.

Back in 2011 the Guardian here published a list of the top four Russian opposition figures; and yes Nemtzov was on the list
He was a major figure in the late 1990s-early 2000s At the present time he was not a major figure any more but people knew and remembered him -- for example Bill Clinton is not an influenced person in politics but still a well known man. If something happens to him this would generate a big news.

The Guardian list of opposition leaders is b*** Why the opposition politician Zyuganov is not in that list? In the presidential election on March 2, 2008, Zyuganov garnered 17.76% of the vote and came in second to Medvedev's 70.23%. In the 2012 Russian presidential election on 4 March 2012, Zyuganov once again came in second place by receiving 17% of the vote. I tell you why he is not in the list -- because he is fiercely anti-Western True opposition cannot be anti-Western, right?
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So we agree he was not a major figure and not a nobody either. We're making progress in the anti-Russian threads. And I don't even like Russia.
I encourage you to write your opinion openly in the threads -- who knows, maybe we make even bigger progress

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I encourage you to write your opinion openly in the threads
I do.
Whatever one says in a thread here will be met with blunt statements from pro-US people who have the right to be pro-anything but don't argue any point. I don't feel the need to argue more than they do. They are not to be convinced anyway.
It was the same during the Balkan wars, I was at the special tribunal in Den Haag at that time. Same old, same old. It will also be the same with the US's next target.
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Was her age and occupation already mentioned here?



Putin's girlfriend is half his age as well, if he ends up with 4 bullets in his back, will her image be splashed across Russian media alongside accusations?



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I find remarkable that all the Western corporate news took this murder to their front pages
If a US politician was gunned down in front of the White House, or a Chinese politician shot dead in Tiananmen Square, wouldn't that generate worldwide headlines as well? Given the backdrop of the last year, ie: Putin's agression towards Ukraine and Russia's tensions with the West, this murder takes on even more meaning.
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He was a major figure in the late 1990s-early 2000s At the present time he was not a major figure any more but people knew and remembered him -- for example Bill Clinton is not an influenced person in politics but still a well known man. If something happens to him this would generate a big news.

The Guardian list of opposition leaders is b*** Why the opposition politician Zyuganov is not in that list? In the presidential election on March 2, 2008, Zyuganov garnered 17.76% of the vote and came in second to Medvedev's 70.23%. In the 2012 Russian presidential election on 4 March 2012, Zyuganov once again came in second place by receiving 17% of the vote. I tell you why he is not in the list -- because he is fiercely anti-Western True opposition cannot be anti-Western, right?
Bill Clinton? How is this a valid comparison? For example, I do not remember Bill is organising marches in Washington?
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