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Old 01.03.2015, 16:23
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He was a major figure in the late 1990s-early 2000s At the present time he was not a major figure any more but people knew and remembered him -- for example Bill Clinton is not an influenced person in politics but still a well known man. If something happens to him this would generate a big news.

The Guardian list of opposition leaders is b*** Why the opposition politician Zyuganov is not in that list? In the presidential election on March 2, 2008, Zyuganov garnered 17.76% of the vote and came in second to Medvedev's 70.23%. In the 2012 Russian presidential election on 4 March 2012, Zyuganov once again came in second place by receiving 17% of the vote. I tell you why he is not in the list -- because he is fiercely anti-Western True opposition cannot be anti-Western, right?
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I do.
Whatever one says in a thread here will be met with blunt statements from pro-US people who have the right to be pro-anything but don't argue any point. I don't feel the need to argue more than they do. They are not to be convinced anyway.
It was the same during the Balkan wars, I was at the special tribunal in Den Haag at that time. Same old, same old. It will also be the same with the US's next target.
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Not only the pro-US people
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Old 01.03.2015, 16:42
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Moscow rally for Nemtsov

Quote "Former prime minister Mikhail Kasyanov, one of the leaders of the rally, says he believes there are at least 50,000 people present."
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Quote "A number of smaller rallies are being held in cities across Russia."

It is time the Kremlin stopped pretending he was a minor figure.

Quote "Reports are coming in that Ukrainian MP Alexei Goncharenko has been arrested at the Moscow march." Putin feels he is free to do whatever he wants regardless of laws and ethics!

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I do.
Whatever one says in a thread here will be met with blunt statements from pro-US people who have the right to be pro-anything but don't argue any point. I don't feel the need to argue more than they do. They are not to be convinced anyway.
I wouldn't say "pro-US", rather anti-Putin

Besides, where is the US in all of this? They gave Ukraine some blankets and said "good luck, hope it works out for you". Did the US fund the Maiden (as Russia suggests)? Well, many Ukrainian oligarchs DID openly fund the Maiden, as they were losing money under Yanukovich. I have not seen any actual evidence of the US funding Maiden, however Ukraine spinning out of Moscow's orbit and towards the West is something I'm sure the US would welcome and encourage. In any event, a protest is on a completely different level than the war Moscow is supporting with tanks, rockets and fighters
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Besides, where is the US in all of this?
You really don't know? Look out of the window, your credibility is flying away.
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Old 01.03.2015, 23:08
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I wouldn't say "pro-US", rather anti-Putin

Besides, where is the US in all of this? They gave Ukraine some blankets and said "good luck, hope it works out for you". Did the US fund the Maiden (as Russia suggests)? Well, many Ukrainian oligarchs DID openly fund the Maiden, as they were losing money under Yanukovich. I have not seen any actual evidence of the US funding Maiden, however Ukraine spinning out of Moscow's orbit and towards the West is something I'm sure the US would welcome and encourage. In any event, a protest is on a completely different level than the war Moscow is supporting with tanks, rockets and fighters
I have not seen any evidence of the US funding Maiden but if they did they were certainly a lot smarter than Russia. They could change the Ukraine govt. at little cost.

Now look at Russia's efforts, thousands of soldiers, tanks, heavy weapons, anti-aircraft missiles, 6,000+ dead and only gained a small portion of the Ukraine
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I wouldn't say "pro-US", rather anti-Putin

Besides, where is the US in all of this?
There was said to be some recorded conversations of CIA agents fomenting Maiden while the Russians were busy trying to have a Winter Olympics. But I don't know if that was Pravda talking, or what.

But in case you haven't noticed, we have an American president who apparently has an agenda to descale and dismantle American hegemony. Kind of like best shoring the management of the World to their own locales. Apparently, they needed to kind of downsize, realising these forays cost a lot of many, and they don't even get thanked for it. So you see a lot more hands-off management of the World. Thank goodness. The stress and the workaholism was just too costly. We wouldn't want to get a stroke or heart attack at such a young age, do we?

Romney would probably have gone in harder. He said so during the elections. It could have been a lot messier than it is right now.
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Old 02.03.2015, 00:13
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I have not seen any evidence of the US funding Maiden but if they did they were certainly a lot smarter than Russia. They could change the Ukraine govt. at little cost.

Now look at Russia's efforts, thousands of soldiers, tanks, heavy weapons, anti-aircraft missiles, 6,000+ dead and only gained a small portion of the Ukraine
Well, early 2014 Victoria Nuland (you know, " EU") said in a presentation with the ExonMobil logo on one side and Chevron logo on the other, that the US had then invested USD 5bln in the Ukraine.

Of course that's no proof, but still a strong hint that the US consider themselves having a big vested interest.

And the fact that a few months later Joe Bidens family got involved by joining Burisma Holding board, the largest private natgas producer in the Ukraine with reserves mostly in eastern Ukraine (yes, rebel territory now) certainly wouldn't work as some kind of brake on their efforts.
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Old 02.03.2015, 01:20
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Well, early 2014 Victoria Nuland (you know, " EU") said in a presentation with the ExonMobil logo on one side and Chevron logo on the other, that the US had then invested USD 5bln in the Ukraine.

Of course that's no proof, but still a strong hint that the US consider themselves having a big vested interest.

And the fact that a few months later Joe Bidens family got involved by joining Burisma Holding board, the largest private natgas producer in the Ukraine with reserves mostly in eastern Ukraine (yes, rebel territory now) certainly wouldn't work as some kind of brake on their efforts.
About "Joe Bidens family got involved by joining Burisma Holding board, the largest private natgas producer in the Ukraine with reserves mostly in eastern Ukraine"
Yes the US is really close to what is happening in the Ukraine
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Old 03.03.2015, 00:18
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Any moment now, there will likely be accusations that Boris Nemtsov was assassinated by the West in order to frame and vilify Putin. Quite predictable, isn't it? CIA, Mossad or the Illuminati? A despot's best friends. This is getting boring and predictable. We need to find some space aliens.
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Quite predictable, isn't it?
Both are predictable: The US accusing Russia and Russia accusing the US. They've been doing that for years now. Both are equally boring. Choosing to believe the one or the other is equally irrational. We all know there never will be evidence of anything. It's the same not only in Russia, it's a classic in international PR warfare. It doesn't say anything about what happened.
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I think Pravda was onto something, by just going to the far end of credulity. Its more entertaining, and set precedence for more useful information like Onion.com. Laughter is much healthier than the crap news media comes up with.

Speaking of which:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col...ov_murdered-0/
So, in my view, the probability that the Russian government is behind the killing of Boris Nemtsov is close to zero, while the probability of involvement of the CIA and its allies and stooges is well over 90%.
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Old 03.03.2015, 00:51
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Both are predictable: The US accusing Russia and Russia accusing the US. They've been doing that for years now. Both are equally boring. Choosing to believe the one or the other is equally irrational. We all know there never will be evidence of anything. It's the same not only in Russia, it's a classic in international PR warfare. It doesn't say anything about what happened.
Except in the US they usually catch the people who kill prominent politicians while Russia has never arrested or identified one.
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Old 03.03.2015, 01:02
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I think Pravda was onto something, by just going to the far end of credulity. Its more entertaining, and set precedence for more useful information like Onion.com. Laughter is much healthier than the crap news media comes up with.

Speaking of which:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col...ov_murdered-0/
So, in my view, the probability that the Russian government is behind the killing of Boris Nemtsov is close to zero, while the probability of involvement of the CIA and its allies and stooges is well over 90%.
Let me see.

The killing was in Red Square which is the most heavily policed part of Moscow but there was no police reaction after the 6 shots. No shooting back, no police chase and no reported police alert to stop the get away vehicle?

Red Square is full of security cameras. The federal protection service, which is in charge of guarding the Kremlin , told state news agency RIA Novosti on Monday that although its security cameras were functioning on Friday evening, they did not capture the shooting of Nemtsov. Bolshoi Moskvoretsky Bridge is not within its "zone of responsibility" and its "security cameras are directed at the Kremlin and provide a view of the inner territory," a representative said.

Previously, publications including the newspaper Kommersant had reported that "recordings from security cameras in the area were either not discernible or were completely absent because they were turned off for renovation work."

Now let me wonder - who could instruct the police to ignore the killing and order the security cameras to be repaired - could it be the CIA or the Govt.?
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Old 03.03.2015, 09:45
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There you have it, a denial by the CIA on the front page of Russian news. To the average Russian, that is basically a confession.
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There you have it, a denial by the CIA on the front page of Russian news. To the average Russian, that is basically a confession.
Ha, they turned a statement of " I don't know" into a " I didn't do it". The fun part is when they start pulling out symbols and piecing it together as evidence like bipolar geniuses. That takes some creativity.
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There were reports of a Ukraine fighter plane seen in the area
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http://sputniknews.com/military/2015...#ixzz3TJ2fqizs

...actually, re-reading the article, I think it could have been done a little better, how about:

"Amid swirling accusations of the CIA's role in the assassination of a Russian politician, the US Intelligence Director broke his silence today under the pressure of international journalists. He repeatedly denied the CIA's role, which was met with raised eyebrows as it is in direct contrast to the opinions of many experts.

Altho the CCTV cameras in the area of the shooting were disabled (perhaps from an underground office in Washington?), a camera further away showed a white man entering a light-colored Ford car immediately after the shooting.

America, which is home to some 200 million white people, is interestingly also the headquarters to the Ford car company, which has known links to the famous capitalist Henry Ford. When asked why a car from his company just happened to be used by the murderer, Mr.Ford did not provide any response, which raises further questions about the role that the Ford company played in the crime."

...does anyone know how much Sputnik or RT pays? This is fun
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I wouldn't say "pro-US", rather anti-Putin

Besides, where is the US in all of this? They gave Ukraine some blankets and said "good luck, hope it works out for you". Did the US fund the Maiden (as Russia suggests)? Well, many Ukrainian oligarchs DID openly fund the Maiden, as they were losing money under Yanukovich. I have not seen any actual evidence of the US funding Maiden, however Ukraine spinning out of Moscow's orbit and towards the West is something I'm sure the US would welcome and encourage. In any event, a protest is on a completely different level than the war Moscow is supporting with tanks, rockets and fighters
What happened in Ukraine was a total screw up.

The Kremlin has what it wants and quite frankly I dont think Putin wants The Ukraine minus the Crimea. Although at the end of the day Russia and the EU will probably have to both inject money into the Ukraine economy.

Whoever thought up the Ukraine unrest failed.

kind of reminds me of Hitler. The goons running Ukraine did well to get there but now they are way out of their depth. they should stick to toppling governments and leave the rest to those who know how.
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http://sputniknews.com/military/2015...#ixzz3TJ2fqizs

...actually, re-reading the article, I think it could have been done a little better, how about:

"Amid swirling accusations of the CIA's role in the assassination of a Russian politician, the US Intelligence Director broke his silence today under the pressure of international journalists. He repeatedly denied the CIA's role, which was met with raised eyebrows as it is in direct contrast to the opinions of many experts.

Altho the CCTV cameras in the area of the shooting were disabled (perhaps from an underground office in Washington?), a camera further away showed a white man entering a light-colored Ford car immediately after the shooting.

America, which is home to some 200 million white people, is interestingly also the headquarters to the Ford car company, which has known links to the famous capitalist Henry Ford. When asked why a car from his company just happened to be used by the murderer, Mr.Ford did not provide any response, which raises further questions about the role that the Ford company played in the crime."

...does anyone know how much Sputnik or RT pays? This is fun
LOL
Lot of people turning up for the funeral today, surprising for this "minor figure" especially in view of the hooligan "anti Maidan" movement that is getting more agressive; hope Putin can control the bikers
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The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, has condemned the killing of the opposition leader Boris Nemtsov as a “disgrace” and called on law enforcement to finally rid Russia of political murders.

Quote here in Guardian

Would be more convincing if after 6 days they could at least name some suspects?
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