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Achieving NOTHING. Just as the war strengthened the Stalin rule, the sanctions will strengthen Putin
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Achieving NOTHING. Just as the war strengthened the Stalin rule, the sanctions will strengthen Putin

Sure. They've already tried a Chinese-like Giant-Leap concept and ended up with a society that is very cheap to run because the life expectancy barely reaches retirement.
Europe doesn't do anything, get it real. All the sanctions are fake and are circumvented.
The Saudis do the real heavy lifting - they pump a lot of oil, and that is working astonishingly well - how an oil producer can bring such a powerful country economy to its knees in a year? When the day of the reckoning comes Russia might default. They have no money to bail out Greece, Serbia, less money to run their research and academia, no money to feed their industrial-military complex.
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Sure. They've already tried a Chinese-like Giant-Leap concept and ended up with a society that is very cheap to run because the life expectancy barely reaches retirement.
Europe doesn't do anything, get it real. All the sanctions are fake and are circumvented.
The Saudis do the real heavy lifting - they pump a lot of oil, and that is working astonishingly well - how an oil producer can bring such a powerful country economy to its knees in a year? When the day of the reckoning comes Russia might default. They have no money to bail out Greece, Serbia, less money to run their research and academia, no money to feed their industrial-military complex.

Russia coud sell chunks of Siberia to Japan, China and Kazakhstan and get rid of thê chaps in the Northern Caucasus.. The Young Population is ideal for a militarized society
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Seems that as a follow-up to their anti-Russian saber-rattling, sanctions and support for Kiev's genocide, the peace loving US government wants to futher excerbate matters by deploying 250 military vehicles 'including Abrams tanks' near the Russian border. Go figure.

Yet Russia remains the "aggressor" in the "minds" of the mindless disinformation consumers of the West — particularly, but by no means limited to, US Americans.
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Russi has about 3.4k active tanks and about 12k reserve tanks.
And nukes. And 770k active personnel, twice per capita compared to any European country, and deployed its nuclear forces to Kaliningrad. The NATO forces in Eastern Europe have symbolic meaning only.
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Old 23.06.2015, 22:46
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Russi has about 3.4k active tanks and about 12k reserve tanks.
And nukes. And 770k active personnel, twice per capita compared to any European country, and deployed its nuclear forces to Kaliningrad. The NATO forces in Eastern Europe have symbolic meaning only.
Not only symbolic, but practical:

1) The small contingent of NATO troops in E.Europe act as a tripwire; if Russia should invade NATO troops would die, justifying a deeper NATO response

2) In the event of hybrid warfare techniques, ie: "little green men" appearing and claiming to make a "People's Republic" in a NATO country, then NATO could deploy faster to counter such a situation.

Russia should understand that a small contingent like what is being deployed by NATO has no offensive possibilities, ie: NATO can't invade Russia with 100 tanks, but of course Russia won't like it either, as they want to keep their neighbors weak and under constant fear so they can manipulate and control them easier. God forbid if NATO should have a spine and actually stand up to them
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Russia and NATO in the News

Hey Texaner, Russia wants you to return to Mexico:
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Russi has about 3.4k active tanks and about 12k reserve tanks.
And nukes. And 770k active personnel, twice per capita compared to any European country, and deployed its nuclear forces to Kaliningrad. The NATO forces in Eastern Europe have symbolic meaning only.
"...Russia’s military superiority over NATO on its Western borders is painfully evident to all. If NATO ups the military ante, Moscow can readily trump it. Moscow has significant advantages in conventional forces — backed by potent tactical nuclear weapons and a stated willingness to use them…" — Les Gelb, quoted by Patrick Buchanan
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Hey Texaner, Russia wants you to return to Mexico:
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The story (here's an English version) seems like a blend of fact and fantasy. Whether secessionist Texans would go for reuniting with Mexico is an entirely separate question.
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The story (here's an English version) seems like a blend of fact and fantasy. Whether secessionist Texans would go for reuniting with Mexico is an entirely separate question.

No chance for the heirs of General de Santa Anna. The Texans may unite with Southern Louisiana and Florida to form the UNITED STATES OF TEXAS
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"...Russia’s military superiority over NATO on its Western borders is painfully evident to all. If NATO ups the military ante, Moscow can readily trump it. Moscow has significant advantages in conventional forces — backed by potent tactical nuclear weapons and a stated willingness to use them…" — Les Gelb, quoted by Patrick Buchanan

Yes, so obviously the increase of Russian military presence in the eastern Europe serves no defensive purpose. Therefore the only explanation is a further assault (hopefully unlikely), or "influence for peace" - Russia wants to suck back into its orbit some neighbours and uses unveiled nuclear threats.
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No chance for the heirs of General de Santa Anna. The Texans may unite with Southern Louisiana and Florida to form the UNITED STATES OF TEXAS
Never say never. Texas has a huge population of Mexican descent, and depending on how citizenship and voting rights were decided in a hypothetically independent Texas, the decision could well be beyond the control of the non-Mexican part of the population.

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Yes, so obviously the increase of Russian military presence in the eastern Europe serves no defensive purpose...
Not so "obviously" at all — it's a response to unprovoked actions on the part of US/NATO, which themselves are nothing less than provocative.

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...Therefore the only explanation is a further assault...
A conclusion based on a false premise (see above) is ipso facto a logical fallacy by definition. The only original "assault" was by Kiev on it's own eastern provinces, not by Russia on anybody.

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...Russia wants to suck back into its orbit some neighbours and uses unveiled nuclear threats.
Another unsubstantiated, arbitrary assertion. Russia's actions are confined to within its own borders. The same can't be said for either the US or NATO.
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Yes, so obviously the increase of Russian military presence in the eastern Europe serves no defensive purpose. Therefore the only explanation is a further assault (hopefully unlikely), or "influence for peace" - Russia wants to suck back into its orbit some neighbours and uses unveiled nuclear threats.
Russia lost 27 million people in the last big war and half of the country was in ruins. On the other hand the US benefited hugely from that war. And now what is the US national debt at the moment, do you remember? Seems like it's time for another big war in Europe for them. "F*** the EU" -- thank you Ms Nuland.
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Russia's actions are not confined to their own borders, they admittedly took Crimea, admit their border with Ukraine is not being enforced or controlled, and there's ample evidence of their soldiers and tanks operating in E.Ukraine. And that's exactly the reason why NATO is taking defensive measures to protect their Eastern members from any similar attempts by Russia.
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The States of Sonora and Chihuahua and Coahuila and Tamaulipas might secede from the United States of Mexico and join the United States of Texas, which then would get the Population size of Canada




While of course, the next target of Czar Vladimir is the ALASKA OBLAST http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...America%29.png
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Russia lost 27 million people in the last big war and half of the country was in ruins. On the other hand the US benefited hugely from that war. And now what is the US national debt at the moment, do you remember? Seems like it's time for another big war in Europe for them. "F*** the EU" -- thank you Ms Nuland.

To remind you - Russia co-started WWII and supplied Germany until Hitler broke the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.
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Russia's actions are not confined to their own borders, they admittedly took Crimea, admit their border with Ukraine is not being enforced or controlled, and there's ample evidence of their soldiers and tanks operating in E.Ukraine. And that's exactly the reason why NATO is taking defensive measures to protect their Eastern members from any similar attempts by Russia.
Exactly. And that's not even mentioning Ossetia and Transdniestria. Or all the intimidation against the baltic states and the sabre rattling in the Baltic Sea, North Sea, sailing aircraft carrier(1) across the British Channel, flying over nuclear bombers down to Cornwall, claiming possession of the North Pole, etc.... One must be clearly deluded not to see all that
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Russia lost 27 million people in the last big war and half of the country was in ruins. On the other hand the US benefited hugely from that war. And now what is the US national debt at the moment, do you remember? Seems like it's time for another big war in Europe for them. "F*** the EU" -- thank you Ms Nuland.
About "Russia lost 27 million people in the last big war and half of the country was in ruins. On the other hand the US benefited hugely"
What is the point you are trying to make? You are saying the Americans are much cleverer than the Russians

The experience to learn from the last major European war is that the countries who started it (Germany and Russia) lost very badly so then who would want to start another war?
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About "Russia lost 27 million people in the last big war and half of the country was in ruins. On the other hand the US benefited hugely"
What is the point you are trying to make? You are saying the Americans are much cleverer than the Russians

The experience to learn from the last major European war is that the countries who started it (Germany and Russia) lost very badly so then who would want to start another war?
My point is simple -- why would Russia start a war close to its borders? What are the benefits? None.

On the other hand who would actually benefit from war in Europe?
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Exactly. And that's not even mentioning Ossetia and Transdniestria. Or all the intimidation against the baltic states and the sabre rattling in the Baltic Sea, North Sea, sailing aircraft carrier(1) across the British Channel, flying over nuclear bombers down to Cornwall, claiming possession of the North Pole, etc.... One must be clearly deluded not to see all that
...None of which reactions would have ever likely taken place had there not first been aggressive sabre-rattling actions on the part of the US and NATO. Russia hasn't been functioning in a vacuum, but responding to the blustering antics of US/NATO.

Even the whole Crimea episode was a consequence of US/NATO policies being carried out via the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government (not uncommon in the US's current arsenal of "diplomatic" tactics). It's utterly bass-ackwards to suggest that Russia somehow instigated anything. IT'S ALL THANKS TO US/NATO POLICIES AND ACTIONS. Prior to the onset of US/NATO actions in the region, Russia was minding its own business in it own backyard.

"Clearly deluded" indeed!!
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