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Old 15.09.2015, 21:23
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It is only normal that Russia feels threatened by Nato.
When the Soviet Union fell, the US did(/could) not stop its military machine against Russia.
The US continued to expand Nato right up to the borders of Russia.
The troubles in the Ukraine may have occured in any case, but were encouraged and nurtured by Nato and the US.

The US military machine is driven by the military industrial complex. These guys grew fat building an ever growing number of nukes along with the dizzying array of other kinds of weapons.
This force has long ago corralled the US political system to its ends.
In 1961 Eisenhower warned us about this.

Finally.... How would the US react if the shoe was on the other foot?
Russia fomented a coup in Mexico and courted it to join the expanding Warsaw pact? Not to mention a "missile shield system" in Canada!

Me thinks nuks sporting the stars and stripes would already be flying!
About "The US continued to expand Nato right up to the borders of Russia." and " a "missile shield system" in Canada"

Can you name any NATO bases in former Iron Curtain territory? Where are these US missile shields located?

Of course the former Soviet republics are desperate to join NATO to stop being absorbed by Russia; this is due to their experience of their heavy oppression during Soviet rule - nothing to do with "the US military machine".

Thank you for the over half century old quote from Eisenhower; do you have anything relevant to current events to quote?
If you like such ancient quotes I give you "America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." J. Stalin.

Like Eisenhower, Stalin is long dead and no longer relevant in our modern world.
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Assad (FULL INTERVIEW)
‘West crying for refugees with one eye, aiming gun with the other’ –

http://www.rt.com/news/315482-assad-...ees-interview/


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SEPTEMBER 15, 2015
U.S. training helped mold top Islamic State military commander

Tarkhan Batirashvili was a natural military star when he joined Georgia’s military

Fought the Russians during 2008 war, but left Georgia for Turkey in 2012

In Syria, he’s known as Abu Omar al Shishani, commander in several major victories

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...#storylink=cpy

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Old 16.09.2015, 23:59
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Assad (FULL INTERVIEW)
‘West crying for refugees with one eye, aiming gun with the other’ –

http://www.rt.com/news/315482-assad-...ees-interview/


related:

SEPTEMBER 15, 2015
U.S. training helped mold top Islamic State military commander

Tarkhan Batirashvili was a natural military star when he joined Georgia’s military

Fought the Russians during 2008 war, but left Georgia for Turkey in 2012

In Syria, he’s known as Abu Omar al Shishani, commander in several major victories

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...#storylink=cpy

Thanks for posting "U.S. training helped mold top Islamic State military commander" but "so what" - if you do not add any sort of comment who knows if you have any sort of point to make or are you simply just posting random links?


For example, I could post "Today University trained Mr X was jailed for fraud" but without any comment then what was my point? For example is University training a good thing or a bad thing or not relevant?


Or I could post "Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others" but what is my point if I do not comment. Clearly many US trained soldiers have killed people who are/were not US Government targets.
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

I helped to organize the interview and will not comment on the content.
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Old 23.09.2015, 22:44
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There's a price to be paid for being a NATO minion.
Seems Egypt will buy the two French Mistral warships that France refused to deliver to Russia as part of the Ukraine related sanctions so all is well that ends well
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Old 25.09.2015, 19:04
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Those who persist in parroting the US-led claims of a Russian military presence in Ukraine might be advised to consider the documented actions of that propaganda's source:

US special operations forces deployed to 135 countries in 2015

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«The Pentagon's most elite troops have been dispatched to nearly 70% of the world’s countries in 2015. ...The US special operations soldiers are carrying out missions in up to 90 nations every day… Up to 11,000 special operation troops are deployed or stationed outside the US each day»
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

the last 20 minutes of this documentary is a full explanation of the strategy


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Old 26.09.2015, 18:18
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the last 20 minutes of this documentary is a full explanation of the strategy
…as well as a wisely suggested alternative(!).
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Old 26.09.2015, 18:38
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

US ‘preparing’ for hybrid warfare with Russia in Baltics

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«Despite repeated accusations by Kiev and its Western backers that Russia was supporting the rebelling eastern Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Lugansk with weapons and manpower, no evidence has been presented to support the claims.»

«What the US sees playing out is hybrid warfare, which employs irregular troops and focuses on destabilizing the region via mass rallies as well as cyber-attacks on critical infrastructure»

(It seems unsubstantiated provocation and regional destabilization are SOP for the US.)
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

‪#‎UN‬-emies:

Putin and Obama at UN General Assembly in New York on Monday

http://coub.com/view/1zotc
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Old 28.09.2015, 11:12
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Interesting quote Putin made in the Charlie Rose interview:
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I did say that I see the collapse of the Soviet Union as a great tragedy of the XX century. Do you know why?" he said.

"First of all, because 25 million of Russian people suddenly turned out to be outside the borders of the Russian Federation. They used to live in one state; the Soviet Union has traditionally been called Russia, the Soviet Russia, and it was the great Russia. They used to live in one country and suddenly found themselves abroad. Can you imagine how many problems came out?" Putin said.
"First, there were everyday issues, the separation of families, the economic and social problems. The list is endless. Do you think it is normal that 25 million people, Russian people, suddenly found themselves abroad?

What he forgot to mention there however, was the problem was the breakup of the USSR, but the FORMATION of the USSR, when suddenly millions of Estonians, Latvians, Ukrainians, etc. found themselves "living abroad". Or even more recently, when Putin took back Crimea, now suddenly hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians who were born in a free Ukraine were now suddenly "living abroad". No problem there though I guess?

But it seems Putin is not just having nostalgic musings about the USSR, but it's actually part of his current political ambitions (). I can't imagine spineless Merkel and the rest of W.Europe doing much to stop him. The E.Europe countries are already making their own military agreements outside of NATO to help each other if invaded, and hoping for some US backing.
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Old 28.09.2015, 14:04
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

And no mention of millions deported to Siberia and then replaced with Russians under Stalin rule. That's where a large chunk of ethnic Russians outside the mothership comes from.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popu...e_Soviet_Union
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Old 29.09.2015, 16:08
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Also, regarding Puti's mention of the millions of Russians now "stranded abroad" after the fall of the USSR: I haven't heard any plan by Putin to re-repatriate them. In lieu of this, I assume his plan is to bring Russia to them, rather than bringing them back to Russia?
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And no mention of millions deported to Siberia and then replaced with Russians under Stalin rule. That's where a large chunk of ethnic Russians outside the mothership comes from.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popu...e_Soviet_Union
Can't find any actual evidence corroborating evil acts of the current administration, so relies on the playbook of whining about the distant past acts of former, now defunct, administrations.

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Can't find any actual evidence corroborating evil acts of the current administration, so relies on the playbook of whining about the distant past acts of former, now defunct, administrations.

Not impressed. Again.
...and yet no Russian administration, past nor present, has ever owned up and admitted that the deportations in the 30's and 40's were wrong, nor ever offered an apology. By contrast, Germany has apologized a thousand times for their wrong-doings. Sometimes silence speaks volumes.

...and by Putin saying the breakup of the USSR was "the greatest tragedy of the XX century", it means the formation of it was legit. And the deportations were legit. And the executions and mass killings were legit. So the current administration is condoning it, which means they probably would have done the same thing had they been in power at that time.
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Can't find any actual evidence corroborating evil acts of the current administration, so relies on the playbook of whining about the distant past acts of former, now defunct, administrations.
Not impressed. Again.
People were deported into places like kazakhstan, and then held there and couldn't move within or away from USSR, only until it collapsed. And this is the very recent history.
I don't like the way you gloss over actual hard facts.
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...and yet no Russian administration, past nor present, has ever owned up and admitted that the deportations in the 30's and 40's were wrong, nor ever offered an apology. By contrast, Germany has apologized a thousand times for their wrong-doings. Sometimes silence speaks volumes.

...and by Putin saying the breakup of the USSR was "the greatest tragedy of the XX century", it means the formation of it was legit. And the deportations were legit. And the executions and mass killings were legit. So the current administration is condoning it, which means they probably would have done the same thing had they been in power at that time.
No Esto, it means that the breakup of the USSR was the greatest tragedy of the XX century, nothing more. It was extremely difficult time for a lot of people.
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Old 29.09.2015, 23:00
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No Esto, it means that the breakup of the USSR was the greatest tragedy of the XX century, nothing more. It was extremely difficult time for a lot of people.
The breakup of the USSR was worse than Hitlers gas chambers where over 6 million were killed? ....really?
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The breakup of the USSR was worse than Hitlers gas chambers where over 6 million were killed? ....really?
Personally I don't think that the breakup of the USSR was the greatest tragedy for Russia in XX century, but it was a very tragic event nevertheless. Putin's point of view is not completely baseless.
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No Esto, it means that the breakup of the USSR was the greatest tragedy of the XX century, nothing more. It was extremely difficult time for a lot of people.
It was not a "breakup"; it was a collapse.
It was no longer self sustainable. it simply ceased to be viable.
All the individual republics had seceded from the union; sovereign countries no longer wanted to be Soviet Union vassals.
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