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Personally I don't think that the breakup of the USSR was the greatest tragedy for Russia in XX century, but it was a very tragic event nevertheless. Putin's point of view is not completely baseless.
It's true, millions of Russians were stranded "abroad" after the USSR collapsed. I can see from the Russian POV how this can be a "tragedy", in a way (not comparable with Gulags, gas chambers, but a "tragedy" none-the-less).

So what has Russia done to repatriate these stranded Russians? Has there been any kind of offer by the Russian government to bring them back? And what is Putin's aim at rekindling the discussion now, 25 years later after the collapse?
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

NEW WORLD ORDER: PUTIN OUTSMARTS OBAMA

http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/obama-h...werful-leader/

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It's true, millions of Russians were stranded "abroad" after the USSR collapsed. I can see from the Russian POV how this can be a "tragedy", in a way (not comparable with Gulags, gas chambers, but a "tragedy" none-the-less).

So what has Russia done to repatriate these stranded Russians? Has there been any kind of offer by the Russian government to bring them back? And what is Putin's aim at rekindling the discussion now, 25 years later after the collapse?
About "millions of Russians were stranded "abroad" after the USSR collapsed. "
Nonsense; if the USSR had survived they would not ever have got the necessary visas to return home, deportation was deportation.

So what is stopping them returning now, or at any time during the last 25 years?
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It's true, millions of Russians were stranded "abroad" after the USSR collapsed. I can see from the Russian POV how this can be a "tragedy", in a way (not comparable with Gulags, gas chambers, but a "tragedy" none-the-less).

So what has Russia done to repatriate these stranded Russians? Has there been any kind of offer by the Russian government to bring them back? And what is Putin's aim at rekindling the discussion now, 25 years later after the collapse?
Russian government has adopted a law which defines and guarantees help to Russian people who want to return to Russia. The law was created to help repatriate Russians back home after the USSR collapsed. Putin even removed the time limitations from the law. Brining the Russians back home is a big deal in Russia.
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NEW WORLD ORDER: PUTIN OUTSMARTS OBAMA

http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/obama-h...werful-leader/
This coalition announced by Putin consists of Russia, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq (quote; signed a pact of anti-ISIS intelligence-sharing with Assad, Iran and the leaders of Iraq).
Talk about the third team! Two of those countries (plus Syria) cannot even control order in their own countries.

Quote "the-worlds-most-powerful-leader" of the reserve team!?
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About "millions of Russians were stranded "abroad" after the USSR collapsed. "
Nonsense; if the USSR had survived they would not ever have got the necessary visas to return home, deportation was deportation.

So what is stopping them returning now, or at any time during the last 25 years?
What visas are you talking about? Deportation where?
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This coalition announced by Putin consists of Russia, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq (quote; signed a pact of anti-ISIS intelligence-sharing with Assad, Iran and the leaders of Iraq).
Talk about the third team! Two of those countries (plus Syria) cannot even control order in their own countries.

Quote "the-worlds-most-powerful-leader" of the reserve team!?
Please do not forget to count China in the Putin's coalition of the willing
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Old 30.09.2015, 00:18
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Russian government has adopted a law which defines and guarantees help to Russian people who want to return to Russia. The law was created to help repatriate Russians after the USSR collapsed. Putin even removed the time limitations from the law. Brining the Russians back home is a big deal in Russia.
So nobody was actually stranded abroad as Putin stated (there is a law which defines and guarantees help to Russian people who want to return to Russia) so how was the collapse of the USSR a tragedy? They should have been celebrating that they could return home?
Of course for those Soviet republics where 1 in 4 was a Russian secret policeman then they lost their jobs
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Russian government has adopted a law which defines and guarantees help to Russian people who want to return to Russia. The law was created to help repatriate Russians back home after the USSR collapsed. Putin even removed the time limitations from the law. Brining the Russians back home is a big deal in Russia.

They even accept non-natives who "were born in USSR borders, speak Russian and share the culture", and are given assistance with relocation. Quite a humanly approach as for Russia, I must admit.
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Please do not forget to count China in the Putin's coalition of the willing
Do you have a Chinese source that confirms this?
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So nobody was actually stranded abroad as Putin stated (there is a law which defines and guarantees help to Russian people who want to return to Russia) so how was the collapse of the USSR a tragedy? They should have been celebrating that they could return home?
Of course for those Soviet republics where 1 in 4 was a Russian secret policeman then they lost their jobs
Getting some help from the government doesn't mean the moving would be easy for the people.
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Old 30.09.2015, 00:25
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Russian government has adopted a law which defines and guarantees help to Russian people who want to return to Russia. The law was created to help repatriate Russians back home after the USSR collapsed. Putin even removed the time limitations from the law. Brining the Russians back home is a big deal in Russia.
...so if they have a repatriation package, then what's the problem? Bring them home!
...unless they have assimilated into their "new" countries and don't wish to return to Russia. In which case, where is the problem?
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What visas are you talking about? Deportation where?
The USSR deported millions from the Soviet Republics to Siberia and then deported millions of Russian citizens to the Soviet Republics to replace them. These deported Russian citizens could not get visas to return home during the time of the USSR.
Now they can return home if they want to; but most have not!

Why are you asking; you know this?
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Old 30.09.2015, 00:27
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Getting some help from the government doesn't mean the moving would be easy for the people.
You say they are happy where they are so there is no tragedy
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You say they are happy where they are so there is no tragedy
Where did I say that?
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Old 30.09.2015, 00:44
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

From today's RT newspaper; "in his press conference following the Obama talks, Putin ruled out the notion of Russian soldiers engaging in ground operations in Syria. He insisted that instead, Moscow will try to support Kurds & the Syrian army against ISIS. However, the largest sign of the new reality was when he stated that Russia was “ready to restore relations with America to the normal scale.”"

Very positive that he said " Russia was “ready to restore relations with America to the normal scale" Maybe now he will stop rattling the nuclear sabre?

Interesting he said "Moscow will try to support Kurds"; wonder how Erdogan views this?

If he does not plan to have "Russian soldiers engaging in ground operations in Syria" then I do not see how the anti ISIS campaign is improved by Russia?
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The USSR deported millions from the Soviet Republics to Siberia and then deported millions of Russian citizens to the Soviet Republics to replace them. These deported Russian citizens could not get visas to return home during the time of the USSR.
Now they can return home if they want to; but most have not!

Why are you asking; you know this?
I am sorry but I cannot follow you and still don't understand what kind of visas you are taking about. There were no visas in the USSR between the soviet republics.
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People were deported into places like kazakhstan, and then held there and couldn't move within or away from USSR, only until it collapsed. And this is the very recent history.
I don't like the way you gloss over actual hard facts.
Your so-called "actual hard facts" are no more relevant to today's Russian government and leadership than the 1990 US "Gulf War" is to the Obama regime.

I don't like the way you keep trying to hang events from decades ago on current governments and leaders. It only demonstrates that you haven't got any legitimate complaints against them with corroborating evidence (actual hard facts) from their own actions. They aren't obliged to answer for the actions of former regimes.
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The Russification of E.Europe was of course not started by the current Moscow regime, but they are guilty of continuing the policy. Millions of Russians were purposely resettled in E.Europe with the intent of keeping these areas within Moscow's orbit. By Putin making loud statements about "millions of Russians stranded abroad", he is following directly in the path laid out by Stalin, by seeking to keep these areas under Russian control/influence, either by threats, or other more forceful ways.
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I am sorry but I cannot follow you and still don't understand what kind of visas you are taking about. There were no visas in the USSR between the soviet republics.
In fact they had the full monty; internal passports, exit visas, entry visas, long procedures for travel approval.
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