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Sorry, I do not want to hurt your feelings but Russia is a tiny power compared to the former Soviet Union. I do not believe anybody cares enough about Russia to create a conspiracy.
Had Russia no nukes and no submarines circling the globe, wouldn't it be yet another prey of CIA orchestrated coup d'etat à la Iran and multiple other nations, and a playground of predatory corporations? Not that its population isn't a victim to homemade exploitation, but still, truth to be told, USA supports murderous regimes in exchange for "free trade" and whatever they need (fighting the commies was an excellent excuse in a few war theaters).
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Old 04.06.2016, 21:37
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Had Russia no nukes and no submarines circling the globe, wouldn't it be yet another prey of CIA orchestrated coup d'etat à la Iran and multiple other nations, and a playground of predatory corporations? Not that its population isn't a victim to homemade exploitation, but still, truth to be told, USA supports murderous regimes in exchange for "free trade" and whatever they need (fighting the commies was an excellent excuse in a few war theaters).
Iran is hardly a US puppet and almost everybody has nukes these days; Pakistan, China, S.Africa, India, Israel, West European nations & &.
The only country to give up nukes was Ukraine and what was the result? They were invaded by Russia!
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Iran is hardly a US puppet and almost everybody has nukes these days;
Maybe you missed it but it is official now - in 2013 CIA admitted the '53 coup in Iran. That it ultimately backfired much later wasn't the plan :-)
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Old 04.06.2016, 22:33
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Maybe you missed it but it is official now - in 2013 CIA admitted the '53 coup in Iran. That it ultimately backfired much later wasn't the plan :-)
No I did not miss it. 1953 was the year Russia stopped a revolt in E. Berlin with tanks. They still use the same methods, example Ukraine. I do not support either approach but if forced to choose then prefer the CIA; being rolled over by tanks is sort of permanent.
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No I did not miss it. 1953 was the year Russia stopped a revolt in E. Berlin with tanks. They still use the same methods, example Ukraine. I do not support either approach but if forced to choose then prefer the CIA; being rolled over by tanks is sort of permanent.

You forgot to mention Iraq and Afghanistan, and then Libya and Syria... And before that helping Iraq in the bloody Iraq-Iran conflict. They hands are very stained. And this is just a little part of recent history.
I'm not saying Soviets succeed in their pursuit of breeding a new soviet man or a proletariat paradise. I'm as far from thinking like that as possible. But closing eyes on the atrocities being committed by the US all the time is allowing the "realpolitik" to continue exploitation of whole nations. And while US is beyond my influence, I'll never vote for the "let's send our boys there", even if I couldn't refuel my car or buy a cheap cotton t-shirt. The western societies apply extremely double moral standards; while they care about a lonely fish in a tank, they don't mind sending weapons, money and soldiers to support injustice that either benefits the wealthy or even large parts of their populations. No wonder, they're so hedonistic they can justify infanticide of their own for their comfort, then what else could a f... problem.
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Old 05.06.2016, 01:12
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You forgot to mention Iraq and Afghanistan, and then Libya and Syria... And before that helping Iraq in the bloody Iraq-Iran conflict. They hands are very stained. And this is just a little part of recent history.
I'm not saying Soviets succeed in their pursuit of breeding a new soviet man or a proletariat paradise. I'm as far from thinking like that as possible. But closing eyes on the atrocities being committed by the US all the time is allowing the "realpolitik" to continue exploitation of whole nations. And while US is beyond my influence, I'll never vote for the "let's send our boys there", even if I couldn't refuel my car or buy a cheap cotton t-shirt. The western societies apply extremely double moral standards; while they care about a lonely fish in a tank, they don't mind sending weapons, money and soldiers to support injustice that either benefits the wealthy or even large parts of their populations. No wonder, they're so hedonistic they can justify infanticide of their own for their comfort, then what else could a f... problem.
You did not defend any of the points made against Russia?
You do not have a defence.

Russia is the topic, not the US.

If you want to discuss the US then start a new thread.
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Old 06.06.2016, 20:15
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The German government has updated the White Paper - the guidelines on the country's national security policy.


The updated version states that Russia "is no longer Germany's partner, but its rival" and now is one of the main threats, according to Die Welt.
The White Paper was not amended since 2006. The new edition states that the world "changed a lot," everything became "complicated, volatile and unpredictable" in terms of security.
The document says that Russia "is ready to advance its interests by force," and refers to events in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
The document also says that "Russia is turning away from the West, emphasizing the strategic rivalry and increasing its military activity on the EU external borders", the newspaper reports.
The German government is deeply concerned about "hybrid instruments designed to blur the boundaries between war and peace" and "subversive activities against other countries," the newspaper said.


"Without a fundamental change of course, Russia in the foreseeable future will pose a security threat to our continent", states the White Paper.
http://uatoday.tv/politics/germany-s...tml?sf=vyjbbgg

It seems Russia has blown it's chances of developing any friendly ties with the EU and "Cold War 2" is now official.... and that's a pity for everyone
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http://uatoday.tv/politics/germany-s...tml?sf=vyjbbgg

It seems Russia has blown it's chances of developing any friendly ties with the EU and "Cold War 2" is now official.... and that's a pity for everyone
not so soon. Germany's foreign affairs minister's opinion is that the EU sanctions should be relaxed:
http://www.fr-online.de/politik/sank...,34303506.html
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Putin puts the internet to good use: employs Trolls to harass , spread lies & intimidate.

Isn't it great that this forum won't allow that ?
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Old 06.06.2016, 22:57
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not so soon. Germany's foreign affairs minister's opinion is that the EU sanctions should be relaxed:
http://www.fr-online.de/politik/sank...,34303506.html
The article I linked was from the perspective of Germany's security forces. German politicians and businessmen don't give a crap about that and just want to do business and make money with the Russian market. It's a conflict of interest for sure, but that's the reality. The US/China relationship is similar to a degree. China produces iPhones and everything else for the US, but their military's consider each other rivals as well.

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Isn't it great that this forum won't allow that ?
I wonder how much Texaner is getting paid?
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And while US is beyond my influence, I'll never vote for the "let's send our boys there", even if I couldn't refuel my car or buy a cheap cotton t-shirt. .
Yeah, for instance I think it's totally useless to send troops to Afghanistan imo. I'd vote against that any time if I had the chance. A month ago another 2 soldiers came home in those boxes, why, why, what for. Apart from being there for their own country indirectly (cheap oil and cotton doesn't even come into discussion!), I don't see people in that part of the world wish their presence. They would rather collaborate with the local talibans.
When will the west learn anything about certain cultures?
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[QUOTE=greenmount;2600899I don't see people in that part of the world wish their presence. They would rather collaborate with the local talibans.
When will the west learn anything about certain cultures?[/QUOTE]

Because it is about having US/Russia/Pakistan/etc influence there. Everybody wants that piece for a reason unknown to me. If there were no geo-politically strategic reason nobody would care about who is a leader there.
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Yeah, for instance I think it's totally useless to send troops to Afghanistan imo. I'd vote against that any time if I had the chance. A month ago another 2 soldiers came home in those boxes, why, why, what for. Apart from being there for their own country indirectly (cheap oil and cotton doesn't even come into discussion!), I don't see people in that part of the world wish their presence. They would rather collaborate with the local talibans.
When will the west learn anything about certain cultures?
I can't help thinking this is only half the story. Under Taliban rule Afghanistan's opium production virtually disappeared, these days it's about three times as much as in the years before/after the invasion.

Why have UN troops been explicitly forbidden to do anything about the opium fields if not to facilitate opium production?
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I can't help thinking this is only half the story. Under Taliban rule Afghanistan's opium production virtually disappeared, these days it's about three times as much as in the years before/after the invasion.

Why have UN troops been explicitly forbidden to do anything about the opium fields if not to facilitate opium production?
You would need some proof that UN soldiers are sent there to protect opium production. Sounds really naive to me. I would agree with yaceck on the geo-political reason though.

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Because it is about having US/Russia/Pakistan/etc influence there. Everybody wants that piece for a reason unknown to me. If there were no geo-politically strategic reason nobody would care about who is a leader there.
Yep, that sounds reasonable. Although it's clear that whoever comes there is seen as occupation. I don't have the time to look for the death toll per each country but it's dreadful, with America being hit the hardest, of course. Actually after a fast search here they are:

USA: 2,271*
UK: 453
Canada: 158*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalit...in_Afghanistan

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Old 07.06.2016, 13:01
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I can't help thinking this is only half the story. Under Taliban rule Afghanistan's opium production virtually disappeared, these days it's about three times as much as in the years before/after the invasion.

Why have UN troops been explicitly forbidden to do anything about the opium fields if not to facilitate opium production?
"Under Taliban rule Afghanistan's opium production virtually disappeared" There was a theory that this was to cause a price rise to enable the 1999 bumper crop (stored in dried form) to be sold at record prices
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Just want to say something... Whoever assumes he can scare / intimidate Russian Government in any way, is on his way to a up... The generation in charge in Russia today went through more than most people of the same generation in 'western' countries can imagine. Most of their fathers did not survive WWII. We are simply used to be in survival and/or defense modus. Must say this does not apply to those born after Perestroika.
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"Under Taliban rule Afghanistan's opium production virtually disappeared" There was a theory that this was to cause a price rise to enable the 1999 bumper crop (stored in dried form) to be sold at record prices
Whatever. My feeling is that the Afghans are sick entire of any occupation. Russia, US, etc is all the same for them.
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Just want to say something... Whoever assumes he can scare / intimidate Russian Government in any way, is on his way to a up... The generation in charge in Russia today went through more than most people of the same generation in 'western' countries can imagine. Most of their fathers did not survive WWII. We are simply used to be in survival and/or defense modus. Must say this does not apply to those born after Perestroika.

"Most of their fathers did not survive WWII." So these Russians were borne before 1945!
Usually Westerners have had the sense to retire at this age. Russian run by a generation of pensioners
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"Most of their fathers did not survive WWII." So these Russians were borne before 1945!
Usually Westerners have had the sense to retire at this age. Russian run by a generation of pensioners
Oh, really. First of all, read my post again.

Next, do any of those official cabinet members look as if they were born before WWII? http://government.ru/gov/ (I am not saying the country is run by those people (I think it's a different clique alltogether), just the people their age, my parents' age)

Current US Secretary of State was born in 1943.

If you choose to post, know your facts dammit!
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Today 5:45am (*) Exercise Anakonda 16 started in Polland.

http://www.eur.army.mil/anakonda/fil...Anakonda16.pdf

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Anakonda 16 is a Polish led, joint multinational exercise taking place throughout Poland from June 7-17. Anakonda will test the ability, readiness and interoperability of the Polish Armed Forces with Allies and partners, while conducting a joint defensive operation on a large scale. Anakonda and the upcoming NATO Summit in Warsaw are clear demonstrations of Poland’s essential role in contributing to Alliance security and defense.

U.S. Army Europe’s participation in Anakonda 16 demonstrates that the United States is dedicated to regional security. We will enhance our readiness and ability to effectively train and work alongside our Allies and partners, and exercise freedom of movement among participating nations throughout the European theater.

The U.S. Army’s training events will include: multinational air assault and airborne operations, air defense operations, bridging operations and numerous other training activities led by the U.S. Army’s 4th Infantry Division Headquarters.
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