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Russia orders all officials to fly home any relatives living abroad, as tensions mount over the prospect of a global war

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Quite a worry really!
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Old 22.10.2016, 20:03
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Old 22.10.2016, 20:52
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Look at the smoke; surely not a coal burner


Conventionally powered (as opposed to nuclear). Nobody would use coal nowadays. Even if they ran coal gas, they would still have problem with the leftover coke (coke would be a terrible heat source for steam, you would need a completely separate boiler system for coke.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admira...rcraft_carrier

The Class is reputed to be quite unreliable. Not surprising given when they were laid down and commissioned.

Given that it is a PR exercise, the smoke plume could be quite deliberate.

As to the support tug... every aircraft carrier has a support group. Don't get misled by the propaganda sneers. All the Russians have to do is get it to the theatre of operations and launch aircraft... the damage on the ground is done by the bombs, not by the rust on the hull, or the reliability of the ship.

Look at this table, sort it by length or tonnage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ioned_carriers

Russia isn't alone in teething problems with aircraft carriers... The French built ones that were too short for some of it's aircraft and the props broke. In 2010 a 4 month cruise was shortened to a single day because of an electrical fault.

Unless the Russians go head to head with the Americans, as long as it floats and launches aircraft, then it is a threat to whoever Putin points it at.
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Old 22.10.2016, 22:49
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Unless the Russians go head to head with the Americans, as long as it floats and launches aircraft, then it is a threat to whoever Putin points it at.
Civilian aircraft in eastern Mediterranean included.

The U.S navy is much stronger and has several Mediterranean bases, but so far no response from the U.S.

"every aircraft carrier has a support group" - which usually don't include tug boats.

If major repairs will be needed on the Kuznetsov, where will it be done ? Syria's shipyards aren't exactly state of the art.
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Old 22.10.2016, 22:56
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Civilian aircraft in eastern Mediterranean included.

The U.S navy is much stronger and has several Mediterranean bases, but so far no response from the U.S.

"every aircraft carrier has a support group" - which usually don't include tug boats.

If major repairs will be needed on the Kuznetsov, where will it be done ? Syria's shipyards aren't exactly state of the art.
"If major repairs will be needed on the Kuznetsov, where will it be done ? " Used to be Ukraine but not any more

"Civilian aircraft in eastern Mediterranean included."
Well after the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) incident I would not fly a civilian aircraft near a Russian carrier group?
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Old 22.10.2016, 22:58
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Conventionally powered (as opposed to nuclear). Nobody would use coal nowadays. Even if they ran coal gas, they would still have problem with the leftover coke (coke would be a terrible heat source for steam, you would need a completely separate boiler system for coke.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admira...rcraft_carrier

The Class is reputed to be quite unreliable. Not surprising given when they were laid down and commissioned.

Given that it is a PR exercise, the smoke plume could be quite deliberate.

As to the support tug... every aircraft carrier has a support group. Don't get misled by the propaganda sneers. All the Russians have to do is get it to the theatre of operations and launch aircraft... the damage on the ground is done by the bombs, not by the rust on the hull, or the reliability of the ship.

Look at this table, sort it by length or tonnage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ioned_carriers

Russia isn't alone in teething problems with aircraft carriers... The French built ones that were too short for some of it's aircraft and the props broke. In 2010 a 4 month cruise was shortened to a single day because of an electrical fault.

Unless the Russians go head to head with the Americans, as long as it floats and launches aircraft, then it is a threat to whoever Putin points it at.
"as long as it floats and launches aircraft" Will be interesting to see how successful it is
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Old 23.10.2016, 00:25
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

The key word was reliable, i.e. expert, i.e. not tabloids. The Telegraph is right-wing.
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The key word was reliable, i.e. expert, i.e. not tabloids. The Telegraph is right-wing.
OK, your turn to quote contrary reliable sources
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OK, your turn to quote contrary reliable sources
there you go
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Since Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea, both NATO and Russia have announced that they are militarily adversaries with each other...yet NATO countries are still allowing Russian warships to dock and refuel? The "Cold War 2" is definitely more "hybrid" than the First Cold War. I can imagine how WW3 will look: Russian tanks getting refueled and serviced in German garages on their way to conquering France

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"as long as it floats and launches aircraft" Will be interesting to see how successful it is
The alternative explanation is that they have insured it to the hilt and they're hoping it gets attacked and sunk, alleviating them of the cost of another tow home and refit.

Not sure if Lloyds insures warships, particularly in a theatre of war...
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The US, not Russia, restored this evil to the global conversation, says Anne Williamson.

«Twenty-five years is a long time to get back to where you started, but two-and-a-half decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union, it is the United States, not the Russian Federation, that has succeeded in restoring the threat of nuclear annihilation to the global conversation. And, by means of economic sanctions, energy-infrastructure intrusions, and financial manipulations, it is the U.S. that has returned Russia to a state of isolation from Europe.

«Having pulled the Ukrainian door to the motherland off its hinges by means of engineering a coup in Kiev over two years ago, the U.S. foreign-policy establishment has followed up with an expansion of NATO to the very borders of Russia. The thinking appears to be that where American provocations to bait Russia into invading Ukraine have failed, perhaps two new missile bases in Rumania and Poland and four new army bases in Eastern Europe and the Baltics will do the trick…»
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Old 24.10.2016, 22:06
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^^LOL, can you give one reference to Obama or a top aide threatening anyone with nuclear war? I can't. There's a laundry list of Putin and top Russian officials talking about it however...Hard to say if he's just compensating for a "small body part", or because his conventional military is not up to US/NATO standards? Or if he's really getting off his hinges and going in a N.Korea/Kim Jong direction? Guess we'll have to wait and see...

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"Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realize that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KCN12C28Q?il=0

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Russia's president, speaking at a pro-Kremlin youth camp at a lake near Moscow, said "it's best not to mess with us," adding "I want to remind you that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers"
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The Russian bombers intercepted over the English Channel were nuclear-capable


The UK's Royal Air Force scrambled fighter jets on Thursday after two nuclear-capable Russian bombers flew across a corridor above the English Channel busy in civilian air traffic.
The bombers had their transponders turned off, British officials said, making them invisible to many air traffic control systems. The incident disrupted multiple flights — and ended with the UK government demanding the Russian ambassador appear at the Foreign Office to explain the actions.
http://www.businessinsider.com/putin...el-2015-1?IR=T
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The "Cold War 2" is definitely more "hybrid" than the First Cold War. I can imagine how WW3 will look: Russian tanks getting refueled and serviced in German garages on their way to conquering France :msncrazy
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On Friday, Russia failed to secure re-election to the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC), capping a campaign by the rights group to dismiss Moscow over its role in the conflict in Syria.
The 193-member UN General Assembly elected Croatia and Hungary to represent Eastern Europe on the rights council instead.
Hungary received 144 votes, while Croatia only narrowly edged ahead of Russia, collecting 114 votes to Russia's 112.
It is the first time since 2006 that Russia will not be a member of the Geneva-based council.
http://www.dw.com/en/russia-voted-of...cil/a-36192323

Russia continues down the path of isolation. In the last couple of years since taking Crimea, Russia has been kicked out of the G8, had sanctions imposed on them, now kicked out of UN Human rights. Putin promises his people that he will restore Russia's greatness in the world, but it looks like he is doing exactly the opposite. I wonder if Russians are really buying it?
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Putin promises his people that he will restore Russia's greatness in the world, but it looks like he is doing exactly the opposite.
I wonder if he'll withdraw Russia from the League of Nations UN?
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Given the long list of similarities between Hitler/Nazis and Putin/Russia, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't done that already
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No, if he does that then he will no longer be able to veto UN Security Council resolutions.
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