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... and has upgraded its atomic weapon arsenal in Germany, Italy, Turky.
I think the nuclear arsenal formerely in Turkey has been moved, to Romania IIRC. The reason being recent developments in Turkey including the temporary inaccessability of Incirlik airbase.

An additional "arm" of the western nuclear upgrades is the stationing of anti-ballistic-rockets systems in Romania recently and in Poland next year. While of course not strictly an upgrade, it has the same effect in the sense that this reduces effectiveness of Russia's arsenal, so Putin may well feel compelled to counter by increasing Russia's arsenal to get back to previous destruction potential.

This may also be the reason why Russia has used cruise missiles against Syrian rebels: Per se it's probably a stupid move as cruise missiles are very expensive ($1mln to deliver 500kg explosives). But it demonstrates to the west that the missile shield may be ineffective as Russia has other means to deliver nuclear warheads.
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Old 14.11.2016, 12:14
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An additional "arm" of the western nuclear upgrades is the stationing of anti-ballistic-rockets systems in Romania recently and in Poland next year. While of course not strictly an upgrade, it has the same effect in the sense that this reduces effectiveness of Russia's arsenal, so Putin may well feel compelled to counter by increasing Russia's arsenal to get back to previous destruction potential.
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I know about the anti-ballistic system but not the nuclear arsenal, I don't think it's true. These are speculations. You'd think it would be logical to move them from Turkey but that alone doesn't mean they were moved. I don't think Turkey would have agreed anyway...it would be really stupid if they did. Last thing Turkey needs is to lose leverage in this military conglomerate.
I guess this is part of the Russian propaganda so they can justify their hostile attitude against Poland and Romania. Rest (most) of the countries in the region (and not only ) have sort of pro-Russia presidents/governments, PoRo is the only group that just doesn't want to bend into that direction. And rightly so.

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Old 14.11.2016, 21:23
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The main mission of the Kuznetsov is propaganda. It's great TV in Russia. They think they are a superpower again. In the West, people are laughing and making "memes" about the rust-bucket spewing black smoke, breaking down, and nobody allowing it to dock for re-fueling.
Some sources are claiming that one of the four Mig-29Ks on the Kuznetsov crashed into the sea after takeoff.

Russia only has a few of them so is a big loss if true; the Russian defence ministry said it was true today.

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Old 15.11.2016, 09:37
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I guess this is part of the Russian propaganda so they can justify their hostile attitude against Poland and Romania. Rest (most) of the countries in the region (and not only ) have sort of pro-Russia presidents/governments, PoRo is the only group that just doesn't want to bend into that direction. And rightly so.
Haha, nice try. The suggestions come from all sides, it's obvious after recent events.
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I know about the anti-ballistic system but not the nuclear arsenal, I don't think it's true. These are speculations. You'd think it would be logical to move them from Turkey but that alone doesn't mean they were moved. I don't think Turkey would have agreed anyway...it would be really stupid if they did. Last thing Turkey needs is to lose leverage in this military conglomerate.
The nukes themselves are useless as there are no delivery systems in place (Turkey refuses consent), so from a usability POV they're nothing but dead weight.

Military personnel's families have been ordered to leave the base last spring for a reason. German PM's have been blocked from visiting German soldier's quarters, upgrades to housing infrastructure have been blocked by Turkey for quit some time now. And of course the airbase was cut off from external power during the coup for four days - not a problem in itself but it makes for a not-so-reliable host and increases running costs.

Turkey's leverage is exactly the problem, but not leverage vs Russia or Iran but rather vs the rest of NATO. Turkey's using it liberally against its allies, an inacceptable situation. And there's precedent, when Turkey and Greece fought over Cyprus they were withdrawn too, the situation in Syriah isn't that different.

Aleppos is less than 200km away. I doubt anybody except the thieves would like for the US to lose one or two nukes. A dirty bomb in New York ... YIKES.
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Haha, nice try. The suggestions come from all sides, it's obvious after recent events.
The nukes themselves are useless as there are no delivery systems in place (Turkey refuses consent), so from a usability POV they're nothing but dead weight.
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Well, you obviously know more than a lot of people then. This thing was first speculated by a Bulgarian journalist on a news site and then captured by other news sites as fact. Anyway, the Turkish ambassador was saying that the Incirlik base is very safe and there're no reasons for moving them....so, hmm, I tend to believe they have no interests to give up something like this. Turkey seems like they don't have a privileged relation with the West anymore, although judging by the fact that
- there were no sanctions for TR
- the discussions about accession to EU are still going on, despite everything...
...I don't know what to say.

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I think the nuclear arsenal formerely in Turkey has been moved, to Romania IIRC. The reason being recent developments in Turkey including the temporary inaccessability of Incirlik airbase.
That is simply not true, there have been questions about stationing nukes at Incirlik during the recent coup attempt but nothing has been moved.

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An additional "arm" of the western nuclear upgrades is the stationing of anti-ballistic-rockets systems in Romania recently and in Poland next year.
Pure speculation, or boll**ks as they say.

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While of course not strictly an upgrade, it has the same effect in the sense that this reduces effectiveness of Russia's arsenal, so Putin may well feel compelled to counter by increasing Russia's arsenal to get back to previous destruction potential.

This may also be the reason why Russia has used cruise missiles... [...] But it demonstrates to the west that the missile shield may be ineffective as Russia has other means to deliver nuclear warheads.
It is plain an obvious to anyone that the missile shield is ineffective against Russia. It does not have sufficient missiles to counter a multiple warhead ICBM.

The cruise missiles in Syria was more of a demonstration that they can hit western assets on the ground there without an airforce presence. Nothing to do with nukes.

But nice attempt to insert some fake news about nukes in Romania and Poland
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Old 15.11.2016, 13:21
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

It would be relatively easy for the US military to secretly replace the nukes in Turkey with dummies but I doubt the political arm would allow this in the interest of maintaining relations with Turkey. This assumes the nukes were not dummies in the first place
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Old 23.11.2016, 15:43
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Not only Russia then!!
US navy's most expensive destroyer breaks down in Panama Canal

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Old 25.11.2016, 22:54
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Secret weapon!
Vladimir Putin has personally handed a new Russian passport to the American actor Steven Seagal
Seagal also got Serbian citizenship this year
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Old 06.12.2016, 21:33
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Pentagon buries evidence of $125 billion in bureaucratic waste
Seems the US can simply waste many times the value of Russia's total military budget.

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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Maybe the US would get further ahead if they invested more, say, in education. And healthcare. And, and, and. Like, steal that business from the 1,500 churches. Russian Orthodox Church is a mafia (meant to say industry) as well though.
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It would be relatively easy for the US military to secretly replace the nukes in Turkey with dummies but I doubt the political arm would allow this in the interest of maintaining relations with Turkey. This assumes the nukes were not dummies in the first place
Oh for goodness sake...are we toddlers here? where would you like to have the nukes just in case, I don't know, Israel is attacked? at the shore of Mediterranean of course. Turkey doesn't have only one military base.... I find the Romania&Poland distraction quite sinister, frankly. But that's how Russia operates...maybe because the propaganda machine is cheaper and allows them to wisely invest in education and healthcare.
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Old 07.12.2016, 10:27
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But that's how Russia operates...maybe because the propaganda machine is cheaper and allows them to wisely invest in education and healthcare.
Sure, Russiun healthcare is envied by many. they even managed to lower life expectancy !
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Some sources are claiming that one of the four Mig-29Ks on the Kuznetsov crashed into the sea after takeoff.

Russia only has a few of them so is a big loss if true; the Russian defence ministry said it was true today.

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Seems one of their SU-33s has crashed into the sea in the last days so the carrier is down from a total of 24 aircraft to 22! (US carriers have 90 aircraft!)

Rumour has it that all 22 have now been moved to a land base in Syria as the carrier crash rate was too high

Never mind, the Kuznetsov looks impressive cruising along the Syrian coast under its own black cloud
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Big explosion in Moscow today at an underground station.
Authorities were quick to find it was due to a leaking gas cylinder meanwhile the Daily Mail is reporting a Moscow car bomb here.
It is not clear to me if these are two different events or confused reporting about the same event!

Very sad business for the victims and their families.
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Huh, 300 US MArines were stationed in Norway at the request of the Norwegian govenment, and RUssia freaked out and ran news stories about it for days. Then China deploys nuclear-capable ICBM's on the border of Russia without informing them, and Putin calls it a "non-issue" and downplays it

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The Chinese government reportedly deployed nuclear missiles to the Russia-China border in the northeast Heilongjiang province, an act Russian President Vladimir Putin’s government described as a nonissue Tuesday, Russian and Chinese media reported. The ballistic missiles, called the Dongfeng-41 Intercontinental Ballistic Missile, are capable of traveling up to 15,000 kilometers and was successfully tested with dummy warheads by the Chinese government in the South China Sea in April last year.
http://www.ibtimes.com/china-going-w...sponds-2480325
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A Russian spy ship making its way along the Eastern Seaboard has been spotted just south of a major submarine base in Connecticut, a report said Wednesday.
The ship, the SSV-175 Viktor Leonov, was located about 30 miles south of Groton, Conn., but still in international waters, Fox News reported.
A US official said the Russian ship was “loitering” in the Atlantic, according to the report.
The Naval Submarine Base New London, the main US Navy submarine base on the East Coast, is in Groton. It is home to 15 attack submarines.
The Leonov, which last sailed near the US in April 2015, is capable of intercepting communications and also measuring US Navy sonar capabilities.
It is armed with surface-to-air missiles.
http://nypost.com/2017/02/15/russian...ecticut-coast/

An armed Russian spy ship is sitting 30 miles away from a US submarine base in Connecticut
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Old 15.02.2017, 22:58
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An armed Russian spy ship is sitting 30 miles away from a US submarine base in Connecticut
No worries, Trump's team are fully informed
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No worries, Trump's team are fully informed
Maybe the Russian spy ship is bringing some new candidates for the open position of US National Security Adviser?
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Huh, 300 US MArines were stationed in Norway at the request of the Norwegian govenment, and RUssia freaked out and ran news stories about it for days. Then China deploys nuclear-capable ICBM's on the border of Russia without informing them, and Putin calls it a "non-issue" and downplays it


http://www.ibtimes.com/china-going-w...sponds-2480325
With 15'000 km reach the Chinese ICBM's can reach any Russian target regardless of where they're launched from in China.
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