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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

It's the old story. As soon as the circle is tightening and it touches higher-up levels everything will take another turn. Dog does not eat dog.
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...seriously, what are you talking about? You are fiercely defending an anonymous person and using laughable scenarios which have no connection to this topic at all. It would be much more interesting for you to sit on the fence... it’s impossible for me to reason on this thread any longer just like before. I think I‘ll be off again for another 3 years, maybe the truth will come out by then, so boring on EF these days with no quality discussion and the same old posters. Bye.
I am giving an example of what has taken place here, but you arent prepared to accept it. For you, a Politician Paedo network will always exist, because thats what you want.

What is so sad for the people involved is that there are many more like you. The accusation - child abuse - is pretty much the worst crime to be accused of in the world. Not just sexual abuse, but sexual abuse of children. Its the lowest of the low, people who are guilty of it deserve to be shot, people who are falsely accused have their lives ruined - genuinely ruined - by their accusers.

Here, there is now enough evidence that the accuser has been charged with perverting the course of justice, i.e. making false statements, which lead ultimately to someone dying under the cloud of this accusation when he was entirely innocent, unless the position changes from the police.

Of course, because you hate the politicians as people, you dont care about this. To you, they'll always be an Elite Set Of Paedo's, you just need someone to back you up and you'll jump on the bandwagon.

Its genuinely sad that people like you exist in life with a determination to ruin other people's existence, regardless of what the truth may be.

I am not thick as you accuse, however like Nick, you believe I am and nothing I say will change your opinion.
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… and what if he's telling the truth, and it is his life that has been ruined by what was done to him? We don't know which it is.

We do know that such rings exist, that they are big business. They are run by wealthy people, and are about power, and to really work very "successfully", there is sometime a degree of collaboration between those powerful people and the police and prosecutors. The customers of the business are prone to keep each other's secrets. We know that the victims of such rings are shattered for life.

We don't know for sure, though, whether or not the particular wealthy, powerful people Nick has accused, are or were involved in running or participating in such a ring.
You have to decide whether you believe the police or not don't you? They say they have found no evidence at all and have paid out compensation to the alleged perpetrators too. We also know people do lie about stuff.

If he is to stand trial then his identity must be made public.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Awkward.

Edward Heath 'not on island' for claimed abuse
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How is it that there's a gradual addition of more and more voices to the murmurings against very powerful people?
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There are none. That is, zero corroborating evidence.

However, you are willing to believe there is a paedo ring that kills.
The basic question I'd ask is: Why was "Nick" allowed to live, why was he not killed too? Either back then or when he surfaced again.

And your belief also implies that aides, staff, security people, police, caterers/stewards, colleagues have all kept silent for 40 years.
That's 1000s of people, every single one too scared/too corrupt to say anything.

You can substitute "Westminster Paedo ring" with
- 9/11 inside job
- JFK cover up
- Chemtrails
- (insert conspiracy here)

Your same logic applies to all of these
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You can substitute "Westminster Paedo ring" with
- 9/11 inside job
- JFK cover up
- Chemtrails
- (insert conspiracy here)

Your same logic applies to all of these
Or the life and times of Jimmy Savile / Rolf Harris, etc.

They aren't saying that though - they are saying they don't think he was on the island because his diary looks too busy. Classic fudging, instead of saying "He was in Guildford to open the new Spar" they are saying "We don't think he was on the island, we aren't sure where he was, but he probably wasn't there". Spintastic.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Nick now fully named and up in court for multiple counts of perjury.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-named.html

What a nasty piece of work he is.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Here we are then. Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (just in case some people thought the cover-up was water tight) is revealing some interesting information and, it seems, MI5 decision not to tell police about ‘paedophile’ Thatcherite MP ‘matter of regret’, spy service’s lawyer tells inquiry.

One day it will ALL come out just like it should although the major players in this have still gotten away with it but...it just won't go away. Obviously not.

Peter Morrison’s alleged ‘penchant for small boys’ was considered only in national security, not criminal terms, witness tells Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

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Here we are then. Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (just in case some people thought the cover-up was water tight) is revealing some interesting information and, it seems, MI5 decision not to tell police about ‘paedophile’ Thatcherite MP ‘matter of regret’, spy service’s lawyer tells inquiry.

One day it will ALL come out just like it should although the major players in this have still gotten away with it but...it just won't go away. Obviously not.

Peter Morrison’s alleged ‘penchant for small boys’ was considered only in national security, not criminal terms, witness tells Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

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Are you sure you don't write for a red-top ? you've got such a great knack for it.

Lets put those quotes out in a bit more detail, shall we ?

An MI5 lawyer told the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) it was “a matter of regret” that the service considered only the national security implications of allegations of possible child abuse by Peter Morrison, Conservative MP for Chester, and did not pass information to the police.

The lawyer said MI5’s review of its files uncovered no evidence to indicate the existence of a Westminster paedophile network and nothing to suggest any attempt to cover up a child abuse ring in parliament.
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the inquiry heard that Ms Manningham-Buller wrote that Morrison did not tell her what the allegations involved, adding: “Peter hoped the press would publish something so that he could sue and nail the lies that were being spread about him.

“The prime minister was aware of it and was supporting Peter.”


Its just a pity those policing standards arent in force today, i.e. you dont ruin someone's life because someone said that they'd heard that their mum's friend had said HE WAS A PAEDO while at Bingo last night.
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Its just a pity those policing standards arent in force today, i.e. you dont ruin someone's life because someone said that they'd heard that their mum's friend had said HE WAS A PAEDO while at Bingo last night.
Or, the consideration regarding whether children were involved was not given, it is all about interpretation isn’t it?
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Its just a pity those policing standards arent in force today, i.e. you dont ruin someone's life because someone said that they'd heard that their mum's friend had said HE WAS A PAEDO while at Bingo last night.
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Sir Cliff Richard has joined other public figures calling for the law to protect the anonymity of people suspected of sexual offences until they are actually charged with a crime.

The star won a high-profile legal fight against the BBC after it aired live shots of police searching his home.

He says he would never have been named as a subject of inquiry had the law protected him as an innocent party.
From here.

I find that reasonable. Basically having the potential to ruin an innocent person's life via the media is horrific. If the person is convicted of offences then, by all means, the press can take them apart but on the say-so of any Tom, Dick or Harry is a bit risky.
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... by all means, the press can take them apart but on the say-so of any Tom, Dick or Harry is a bit risky.
Phrasing!
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From here.

I find that reasonable. Basically having the potential to ruin an innocent person's life via the media is horrific. If the person is convicted of offences then, by all means, the press can take them apart but on the say-so of any Tom, Dick or Harry is a bit risky.
You make an OK point but if it were not for the Press many perpetrators would NOT have been caught ..the problem as with many UK institutions (like the PCA) is thatthey have lost the plot and should have restricted the tabloid press years ago from the crazy stuff they have come out with. The quality Press (Guardian, Independent, etc) often help to bring more victims forward.

And Cliff Richard... overkill costing the UK taxpayer millions to prove what?
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