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Old 04.07.2019, 10:19
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

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Nick's off again folks!
Now he's saying Jimmy Saville raped him. Absolutely scandalous! I thought Saville had only raped young girls and dead bodies...

And regarding the 'alleged' incidents I have a question. How come so much detail?
The Lord of the Ring books have a lot of detail in them - doesn't mean that hobbits are real, does it?
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

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Nick's off again folks!
Now he's saying Jimmy Saville raped him. Absolutely scandalous! I thought Saville had only raped young girls and dead bodies...

And regarding the 'alleged' incidents I have a question. How come so much detail? Has he been speaking to real victims by any chance? Soooo many unanswered questions just doesn't seem right...does it?

Nick is not really the villian in the piece here, he has made a number of allegations which might be true, they might not be. Its looking more on the side of maybe not currently, but then even if they aren't that may well be because he struggles from a difficult life.

The really terrible individuals in this sad case are more the people who took his private allegations and then made sweeping statements about Politicians being paedophiles causing them untold harm and anguish. Should it be proved true, then at that moment they should have been shamed and prosecuted but right now many of them have had their lives pretty much ruined by commentators in the news and on Internet Forums making false and misleading statements based without fact, which should be a criminal offence in itself.

In the rare chance you know of any such people, Hausamee, I am sure you would agree such actions would be an utterly despicable thing to do.
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The Lord of the Ring books have a lot of detail in them - doesn't mean that hobbits are real, does it?
Leaving the Carl Beech trial aside, as it's sub judice, I came across an abuse story a few years ago that I believed, largely because it was detailed and the source seemed plausible (e.g. eloquent and tearful in the telling). Now I'm not so sure. A few months ago, he made up a story about Jimmy Savile. He stated on Twitter that he had maintained burglar alarms at two flats owned by Jimmy Savile. But according to people who knew Jimmy Savile, his flats didn't have burglar alarms. So if he was making that up, what else was he making up? He received > 90,000 pounds in compensation for his elaborate story of abuse.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

And so in the end Nick made it all up (https://news.sky.com/story/carl-beec...-ring-11768340) and faces Perjury charges.

The accused who have had the worst time imaginable speak of their anger and one can only look back in sadness at those who died while the entirely false allegations ruined the final years of their lives.

Of course those who were pushing the knife in at the time - Tom Watson for example - are stuttering away around "taken out of context" and "not what I actually said" and so forth, but it is sad that it will mean so little to them. They will go home, have their tea and just put it out of their minds, while the accused have a permanent blight on their character.

Of course Hausamee, you'll pick up the next piece of gossip to put hte boot into politicians, or whoever your next target is, without a word of thought for the real actual damage it does to people. The internet is a terrible place in regards this sort of activity and their is (for me anyway) an argument that the internet should not be a free for all, it should be a controlled and monitored environment where when you post something, you do it under your real identity.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

The many lies of Carl Beech and the folly of his supporters (written by a barrister)
The Consequences of Carl Beech

That people should be making impossible to prove historic claims of criminal behaviour against persons dead and alive in exchange for criminal injuries compensation and/or media payouts isn't surprising, given that they had a very clear blueprint, the Holy Grail that must not be doubted, namely the posthumous, intensively publicised and highly lucrative allegations against Jimmy Savile.

Jimmy Savile - a study in mendacity

From a Savile family member:

"I can prove SJS [Sir Jimmy Savile] didnít commit crimes but Iím not allowed to speak about the evidence I and others collated as we are legally gagged. We were allowed to scrutinise the claims and what we found would make your toes curl. Carl Beech is NOT an isolated case."
https://twitter.com/Carolin46599832/...79685517725696
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

are you suggesting that SJS was innocent?
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Peter Saunders, founder of the charity NAPAC (National Association for People Abused in Childhood), an early supporter of "Nick" -- aka the now convicted Carl Beech, purveyor of the false Westminster paedophile ring allegations against Leon Brittan, Lord Bramall, Harvey Proctor, Greville Janner, Edward Heath, Jimmy Savile, etc. -- and a frequent commentator on abuse-related allegations and convictions, has been found to have feet of clay.

Charity chief quits child sex abuse inquiry over drunken lunch tryst in a restaurant toilet with molested victim

"Before eating, Mr Saunders, a devout Christian who was appointed by Pope Francis as a member of a Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors in 2014, encouraged the group to join hands in prayer and thank God for ‘good fellowship’. Later, however, he went upstairs to use the lavatory where, he admitted, the sordid encounter took place in a cubicle…

Describing the drunken encounter, Mr Saunders told The Mail on Sunday: ‘She pretty much took me into a cubicle and she performed what they call a sex act on me. I was too drunk to stop it.’"


But not too drunk (courtesy of charity funds) to go upstairs to the lavatory.

Some background:
A note on Carl Beech, Peter Saunders and NAPAC

Peter Saunders' morphing personal abuse story:
The Insistence of Memory
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