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Old 23.12.2014, 12:01
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Saville was innocent and never proven guilty until he died, that's ok with you?

And why some MP's might die before being brought to trial too? Possibly one or two of these....
Of course its not ok however that is a different issue. That's the authorities not doing their jobs properly.

Remaining anonymous during an investigation should work both ways.
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Old 23.12.2014, 14:54
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I just think that even if some of the allegations are true it is hard to accept that she knew nothing, there are allegedly 22 MP's who are involved immediately in this from then and part of FIVE paedophile rings operating (at the time) around westminster.

What's interesting is that foreign news portals are reporting daily on this now so there is no going back. Here's a piece in the Mirrror about Dolphin square...
No one says there is any "going back". As you well know, the current Home Secretary has been trying to set up an inquiry for a long time, and was on the radio yesterday talking about her frustrations, most of which stem from a bitter division of opinion among the alleged victims about the scope of the inquiry and the sort of person they want heading it. Some want a judge to help force people to testify while others want someone low-key, less intimidating and more 'ordinary'. The remit of the inquiry is also the subject of dispute and seems to be the bigger problem to me. It's all well and good to be very wide ranging, covering a number of generations, locations and alleged perpetrators, but you suspect that this lack of focus will make it almost impossible to manage, and that it will drift on for years and end up with a confused conclusion that will satisfy no one.

Forgive me if I prefer to see evidence presented in a legal inquiry rather than in the tabloids. You can imagine the hand rubbing that's going on -- child sex, MPs, cover-ups, murder.... For a tabloid journo all their Christmases have come at once.

All I've seen so far is salacious speculation and anonymous witnesses making vague claims and tabloid papers. As I've said, I've no doubt that there is something behind this, though speculation about organised rings and prime ministerial cover ups is not helpful. It's incredibly easy, and unethical, for Fleet St hacks to write what they want about once-powerful dead people, based on uncheckable gossip from invisible sources.
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Old 23.12.2014, 21:50
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Don't forget these two were close friends.....

But in reality:

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...Lord Bell added that the claim by Jimmy Savile, the BBC star and serial child sex attacker, to have spent 11 Christmases with the Thatchers at Chequers was untrue. “People make up such rubbish,” he said.
From here.

Jimmy Saville wouldn't have liked Christmas at Chequers anyway - children weren't allowed to attend.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Update: Theresa May is to disband inquiry in the Guardian, and this..
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Old 22.01.2015, 18:38
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Leon Brittan dead....scandal continues...just like it was meant to be

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Update: Theresa May is to disband inquiry in the Guardian, and this..
Do you understand the difference between scrapping the panel attached to an inquiry, and scrapping the inquiry?

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Leon Brittan dead....scandal continues...just like it was meant to be
Perhaps he created his own cancer to get him off the hook.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Russell's now on the case.....putting it nicely into perspective...
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Old 05.02.2015, 09:42
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

New Zealand judge Lowell Goddard to lead abuse inquiry... ....now plenty of time has passed and I suspect many shredders have been operating at full capacity, finally someone to head the inquiry who has no connections to those it seeks to reveal their dark secrets.
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Old 06.03.2015, 08:25
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Some progress, the police have searched an MP's gaff.....though not a really prominent active one but anyway > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arch-home.html
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Just to be clear, I was born in the 70s, grew up in the 80s - and not once was I interferred with by a "celebrity" paedophile.

I am beginning to think I really was an ugly child
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Old 06.03.2015, 15:33
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Question to Hausamsee:

If a handful of your work colleagues were paedophiles in their private lives, would you know?
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

to Hausamsee, there are about 3 different ongoing police inquiries.

Everyone was shocked after it became clear that Thatcher had encouraged ministers and managers to give J. Savile a free run in the hospitals: she cynically thought he could bring publicity and private money into the NHS and thus save the tax payers some money.

Many criminals escape justice due to technical failures at their trials, and today the police need water tight cases: they don't need Daily Mail reporters snooping about and warning the criminals.

Have a look at this site and see if you know where one of them lives, http://www.interpol.int/en
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Old 07.03.2015, 21:22
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to Hausamsee, there are about 3 different ongoing police inquiries.

Everyone was shocked after it became clear that Thatcher had encouraged ministers and managers to give J. Savile a free run in the hospitals: she cynically thought he could bring publicity and private money into the NHS and thus save the tax payers some money.

Many criminals escape justice due to technical failures at their trials, and today the police need water tight cases: they don't need Daily Mail reporters snooping about and warning the criminals.

Have a look at this site and see if you know where one of them lives, http://www.interpol.int/en
I get what you're saying but there is a fine line, publicity is required for many reasons, if at least to encourage other witnesses / victims to come forward and verify what some others might allege. This is not the result of anyone snooping around but proper investigation based on accusations, ask yourself a very simple question; if you were the 'victim' and hadn't been abused why would you make it up (after so long and with real danger to yourself - after all these are powerful people)?

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Question to Hausamsee:

If a handful of your work colleagues were paedophiles in their private lives, would you know?
If I had worked with them for a long time maybe because (funnily enough) when I was manager of a company last year I used to check the history of returned company iPads and was not comfortable with some of what I saw of what at least one employee had been looking at...
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If I had worked with them for a long time maybe because (funnily enough) when I was manager of a company last year I used to check the history of returned company iPads and was not comfortable with some of what I saw of what at least one employee had been looking at...
Good point, Thatcher should have checked their iPads and internet history.
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Margaret Thatcher was made aware of child abuse allegations involving Cyril Smith before he was knighted in 1988, Cabinet Office documents have shown.




http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31789827
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Re: Westminster Paedophile Ring

Leon Brittan homes raided in VIP paedophile child abuse probe six weeks after Tory Lord's death




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ed-vip-5292495
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Margaret Thatcher was made aware of child abuse allegations involving Cyril Smith before he was knighted in 1988, Cabinet Office documents have shown.




http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31789827
From your own article...

"Lord Shackleton wrote that police had investigated Smith in 1970 for "indecent assault against teenage boys" between 1961 and 1966, but the director of public prosecutions (DPP) had decided "there was no reasonable prospect of conviction"."

So are we denying people jobs/honours/etc now on the basis that they were investigated and released without charge? If I reported you as a child molester tomorrow, you would hope exactly the same thing would happen to you, investigation, not enough evidence, case dropped. I don't think the fact it happened should prejudice the rest of your life though and I don't think your boss should look at a dropped investigation and say "err, he shouldn't get a promotion because of this".
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From your own article...

"Lord Shackleton wrote that police had investigated Smith in 1970 for "indecent assault against teenage boys" between 1961 and 1966, but the director of public prosecutions (DPP) had decided "there was no reasonable prospect of conviction"."

So are we denying people jobs/honours/etc now on the basis that they were investigated and released without charge? If I reported you as a child molester tomorrow, you would hope exactly the same thing would happen to you, investigation, not enough evidence, case dropped. I don't think the fact it happened should prejudice the rest of your life though and I don't think your boss should look at a dropped investigation and say "err, he shouldn't get a promotion because of this".
How very liberal of you. Each case should be looked at by its merit, in this case the investigation period was between 1961 and 1966. He was being investigated for the possibility of a number of serious crimes which means (at least) any prospect of honours, etc might have been put on hold. It was a cover up in the end, it is not the same kind of situation as the scenario you are comparing with, there was fire to go with the smoke. Like so many of these cases, if they were really bothered to find out the truth they very easily could have.
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How very liberal of you.
What a strange insult.

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He was being investigated for the possibility of a number of serious crimes ...
Nope. Do I need to requote my post?
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