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Old 21.01.2015, 14:33
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

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Perhaps he meant touring with his band
Allah Willing is a moderately successful sync-thrash-metal band. Although generally unknown in Europe apart from small fan pockets, they have enjoyed moderate success with numerous fan clubs in the middle east.
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Old 21.01.2015, 15:03
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

His comments about Paris were pretty tame compared to Birmingham, which he declared to be an 'Islamic Caliphate'

Paris Mayor to sue Fox News over Muslim claims


Mayor Hidalgo said Paris' image had been damaged by Fox News' comments

The mayor of Paris has said she will sue Fox News for its inaccurate reporting about the city following the attack on the magazine Charlie Hebdo.

The US network claimed there were "no-go areas" in the French capital where police and non-Muslims refused to go.

Anne Hidalgo said the people of Paris had been "insulted" and the city's image had been "damaged".

The network has since apologised for making "regrettable errors" on air regarding the Muslim population.

Ms Hidalgo told CNN: "When we're insulted and when we've had an image, then I think we'll have to sue. I think we'll have to go to court, in order to have these words removed.

"The image of Paris has been prejudiced, and the honour of Paris has been prejudiced."

In response, Fox News executive vice president Michael Clemente said: "We empathise with the citizens of France as they go through a healing process and return to everyday life.

"However, we find the Mayor's comments regarding a lawsuit misplaced."



Terror expert Steve Emerson has apologised for his comments about Birmingham
Fox has also apologised for comments by terror expert Steven Emerson, who claimed Birmingham was "totally Muslim" and ruled by Sharia law.

Fox News host Jeanine Pirro subsequently said Emerson had "made a serious factual error that we wrongly let stand unchallenged and uncorrected".

Mr Emerson said he had made an "inexcusable error".

Prime Minister David Cameron responded by calling him "a complete idiot".
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His comments about Paris were pretty tame compared to Birmingham, which he declared to be an 'Islamic Caliphate'

Paris Mayor to sue Fox News over Muslim claims


Mayor Hidalgo said Paris' image had been damaged by Fox News' comments

The mayor of Paris has said she will sue Fox News for its inaccurate reporting about the city following the attack on the magazine Charlie Hebdo.

The US network claimed there were "no-go areas" in the French capital where police and non-Muslims refused to go.

Anne Hidalgo said the people of Paris had been "insulted" and the city's image had been "damaged".

The network has since apologised for making "regrettable errors" on air regarding the Muslim population.

Ms Hidalgo told CNN: "When we're insulted and when we've had an image, then I think we'll have to sue. I think we'll have to go to court, in order to have these words removed.

"The image of Paris has been prejudiced, and the honour of Paris has been prejudiced."

In response, Fox News executive vice president Michael Clemente said: "We empathise with the citizens of France as they go through a healing process and return to everyday life.

"However, we find the Mayor's comments regarding a lawsuit misplaced."



Terror expert Steve Emerson has apologised for his comments about Birmingham
Fox has also apologised for comments by terror expert Steven Emerson, who claimed Birmingham was "totally Muslim" and ruled by Sharia law.

Fox News host Jeanine Pirro subsequently said Emerson had "made a serious factual error that we wrongly let stand unchallenged and uncorrected".

Mr Emerson said he had made an "inexcusable error".

Prime Minister David Cameron responded by calling him "a complete idiot".
I guess this means I'll be stuck eating "Freedom Fries" again when I visit the US this summer.
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Old 21.01.2015, 16:11
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

Amazing how little solidarity and how shy these bold people are when it comes to Raif Badawi...

Wasn't everyone Charlie some time ago?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9991147.html
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Old 21.01.2015, 17:24
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

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Allah Willing is a moderately successful sync-thrash-metal band. Although generally unknown in Europe apart from small fan pockets, they have enjoyed moderate success with numerous fan clubs in the middle east.
I thought you were talking about Orphaned land - an Israli Metal band with fans across the middle east. For once, Metal is decreacing violence

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Amazing how little solidarity and how shy these bold people are when it comes to Raif Badawi...

Wasn't everyone Charlie some time ago?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9991147.html .
Agree - Jouranlists are persecuted in most Muslim countries but get little attention.
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Yeah saw the video. First things I thought was that the face looked familiar. Then I remembered why


the chap on the left IS a Eurpean
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His comments about Paris were pretty tame compared to Birmingham, which he declared to be an 'Islamic Caliphate'

Paris Mayor to sue Fox News over Muslim claims
Because the image is bad for business. Parisiennes and Brits know full well what the exaggerrated claims refer to.

Later, when asking for public funding to help with integration efforts for these same areas, then, "oh you mean, those no-go zones". Hypocrisy much?

Proof that important conversations held through the media are subject to the same trolling, derailments and closures as EF.
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I thought you were talking about Orphaned land - an Israli Metal band with fans across the middle east. For once, Metal is decreacing violence
Anyone heard of that Syrian band that sounds like Nirvana? Lead singer is Kurd Kobane. <rimshot>

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Because the image is bad for business. Parisiennes and Brits know full well what the exaggerrated claims refer to.

Later, when asking for public funding to help with integration efforts for these same areas, then, "oh you mean, those no-go zones". Hypocrisy much?

Proof that important conversations held through the media are subject to the same trolling, derailments and closures as EF.
Of course there are no-go zones where even the police would go only in larger groups and people who don't live there would rather avoid... Most large cities have such places, where marginalisation and criminality go hand in hand.
Weren't the French outraged because the freedom of press was in danger? Hypocrisy is a gentle world...
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Of course there are no-go zones where even the police would go only in larger groups and people who don't live there would rather avoid... Most large cities have such places, where marginalisation and criminality go hand in hand.
Weren't the French outraged because the freedom of press was in danger? Hypocrisy is a gentle world...
How do we get realistic about all this? Try:

Mainstream media is entertainment and advertising for the masses. Real discussions should only be had behind close doors between the elite?
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How do we get realistic about all this? Try:

Mainstream media is entertainment and advertising for the masses. Real discussions should only be had behind close doors between the elite?
First thing first, who's "the elite"? I think this term is heavily abused and overrated.

Btw, I don't agree that mainstream media is only entertainment and advertising. There are many discussions going on, maybe not always the most constructive ones.

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The "elite" by definition, is not everybody else. "Thought leaders" in whatever topic at hand. In the business of government, the objective is how to govern. Truth is sometimes a casualty in the process. Plato believed "Noble Lies" are sometimes necessary in a Republic. But I think it eats away at the existential experience of its citizens, dumbs them down and leads to fascism. Leftists don't seem to mind that.
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Old 22.01.2015, 11:21
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First thing first, who's "the elite"? I think this term is heavily abused and overrated.

Btw, I don't agree that mainstream media is only entertainment and advertising. There are many discussions going on, maybe not always the most constructive ones.
Discussions between people who agree in principle but argue over details. Ultimately they are staged discussions, and thus either dishonest or entertainment disguised as a discussion.

The media are interested in advertising and entertaining, not in opening fundamental issues to scrutiny.

There are some exceptions of course, but I'm talking here about the mainstream stuff that 90% of the people consume and believe every word of.
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Of course there are no-go zones where even the police would go only in larger groups and people who don't live there would rather avoid... Most large cities have such places, where marginalisation and criminality go hand in hand.
Weren't the French outraged because the freedom of press was in danger? Hypocrisy is a gentle world...

I'm not aware of any in the UK where the police will only go in large groups. In most cities, there are probably areas where they are not made as welcome as in other areas, but i don't think there are areas where they will only go with a van full of backup...


The Freedom of Fox is not in question; the fact that Fox are peddling lies and tarnishing the image of Paris is. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom from the responsibility or consequences of said expression.
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Because the image is bad for business. Parisiennes and Brits know full well what the exaggerrated claims refer to.

Later, when asking for public funding to help with integration efforts for these same areas, then, "oh you mean, those no-go zones". Hypocrisy much?

Proof that important conversations held through the media are subject to the same trolling, derailments and closures as EF.
Please can you explain to me (a Brit) what I "know full well what the exaggerrated claims refer to" because I don't understand this comment
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The Freedom of Fox is not in question; the fact that Fox are peddling lies and tarnishing the image of Paris is. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom from the responsibility or consequences of said expression.
Fox is something like Daily Mail and all of a sudden everyone is outraged...

Btw. Can we stop talking about "Fox"? How's that relevant to this discussion?
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Of course there are no-go zones where even the police would go only in larger groups and people who don't live there would rather avoid... Most large cities have such places, where marginalisation and criminality go hand in hand.
Not in the UK there aren't. Everywhere is pretty safe. There were under 100 murders in London last year, population 11 million.
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...the image of Paris is...
it actually makes me chuckle to think about Paris suing Fox over this fiasco, as if "the image of Paris" among Americans was (a) something the French cared about to begin with, and (b) something positive.

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it actually makes me chuckle to think about Paris suing Fox over this fiasco, as if "the image of Paris" among Americans was (a) something the French cared about to begin with, and (b) something positive.

Maybe by suing they are showing to Americans how willing they are to adopt American customs and make Americans feel more at home.
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