I'm listening to all of the kosher hostages killed

Brothers 'came out firing'

Posted at 16:30

A source to AFP says that the Kouachi brothers "came out firing" on security forces.

Dead.

Tom

The end?

We can only hope (...)

The hostage-taker at the supermarket in eastern Paris is also reported dead by Le Monde newspaper.

It was the police who had chosen their own professions, not their families who chose it for them. When I consider their grief, I do find myself wondering what is more important: the existence of this magazine, or the innocent lives that were lost but were not directly involved in the magazine? Yes, they are policemen/women... but they were also husbands/wives, fathers/mothers...

Surely, even the families of some of those killed at the magazine must be wondering if it was worth it.

Yes, the freedom of speech is precious, but like all things that are truly precious, it should be handled carefully.

In France, this is not even a question, the woman was not offended, she was looking for a nice way to tell him he was displaying pure ignorance about France by asking that. Blame cultural differences if it helps dealing with this fact but you won't change France. Even at the price of terrorist attacks. Giving up freedom of press and expression by living in permanent self-censorship is not an option for Charlie Hebdo.

There is nothing wrong with other cultures reacting differently, like the Danes who had big "we're sorry" demonstrations after the "caricaturegate". They chose to give up a part of their freedom of press and expression by living in permanent self-censorship, it's fine too. But it's not Charlie.

Most of what was published in this paper would be unthinkable in most other western countries anyway. Islamic extremism related caricatures are not that shocking compared with others of their favorite targets like the church, far right groups, Israel, US foreign politics, French politicians etc.

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personally, i would be of course extremely sad- but to be honest, i would be so proud of them for doing their jobs, not backing down to threats and in the case of the officers- protecting others from people such as this.

i'm sure that if it wasn't the offices of charlie hebdo, it would've been something else. if you look to kill by reason of being offended- there will always be a reason to be offended. and if you can justify killing by reason of being offended then you can always justify killing. at least this makes perfect sense to me...

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Innocent lives were lost by the action of the Islamists and not by the action of the cartoonists. Sorry but I am not playing blame the victim game with you.

Meaning civilized people don't shoot when offended.

come on already, didn't we get enough of this apologetic moral relativism yesterday?



I guess at this point, however, we can safely assume that your avatar is not a tribute to Zukkihund.

I hope this is just a precaution?

Le Monde is reporting that the Great Synagogue of Paris (La Victoire Synagogue) has been evacuated and tonight's Shabbat service there has been cancelled.

What a waste, what a waste! Time for the police to wrap the whole support network of these Islamists.

Unfortunately not. MI5 and US agencies hear increasing chatter of more attacks of this style.

http://news.yahoo.com/britains-mi5-c...220625665.html

These attackers were applauded by a large contingency of Muslims around the world. An Imam in India declared he had about $1M dollars to give them for carrying out this massacre. Monitoring of social media showed a lot of celebratory messages for the massacre.

They need to investigate how these attackers knew the time of the Charlie Hebdo board meeting.

I don't think so, some were seen in the footage running away.

Exactly! I hope security is tightened for Ayaan Ali, Salman Rushdie, Taslima Nasrin and other brave people who call a spade a spade.

Question is; once you change your life as a reaction to fanatics then it is a slippery slope and where do you draw the red line?
Suppose, for an extreme example, they ordered that all women in France should wear head scarves?

I knew that's what you meant (that civilized people don't shoot when offended). It's just that I thought that was obvious... and not really relevant to the journalist/politician conversation that I had mentioned and that you were referring to.

I understand that lives were lost due to the actions of the "terrorists." And I'm not trying to blame the victims here. They would all still be alive if it wasn't for the willingness of people to resort to violence to defend their religion(s). But I think it's necessary to sometimes step back a bit and look at the whole picture. And I do think it's important to question things like the subjectivity of humor and the possibility of the freedom of speech to be abused. (I'll admit that when I read about the magazine portraying the child victims of Boko Haram as being the children of welfare prostitutes, I was rather disgusted). Yes, the freedom of speech is a right, and it's a right that should remain intact despite who it offends, but it is also a right that can be abused.

This actually reminds me somewhat of when 9/11 happened. Everyone was so quick to raise their American flags afterward, but most didn't start asking WHY it happened until after quite some time had passed. Many Americans still have never bothered to ask why. After all, people don't just fly planes into skyscrapers for no reason (regardless of whether or not that reason is morally right or wrong). I've even met quite a few Americans who said that they thought 9/11 happened because the terrorists were jealous of American culture. I personally wanted to know why exactly those (almost) 3,000 lives were lost. It wasn't until after the shock and emotions had been subdued a bit that people began to question.

On TV 5 monde, they talk about 5 deatsh in the kosher site. They don't know yet who are the 4 others dead with the terrorist, they are not sure if the guy was acting alone or if someone else was with him.

The hostage of the two brothers is alive.

Seeing they were armed with pens and the pen is stronger than the sword, they were obviously not civiians but bloodthirsty insurgents. The guys who shot them were purely acting out of self defence.

Let's not confuse perpetrators and victims shall we?

I've read four hostages have also died