Suspect because she is the companion of Koulibaly. The police does not know yet if she was directly involved in any of the attacks.

No I did not think it is funny. I was just making a point.

By working better on the integration?


Any links on this? I am on the news now and didn't hear any of this.

I really had no idea, but I certainly would have been surprised if they would be willing to sit in a prison for the rest of their lives (no idea what the laws are in France regarding the death penalty). I'm still a bit in shock that the kid responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings is going to trial now. What a waste of tax dollars.

Hell no! If anything, this incident (and this thread) has reminded me how fortunate I am to be living in a neutral country that allows me to believe what I want (and don't want)... and in which I wasn't culturally brainwashed to follow a certain religion. I may be soon going to Tokyo, though.

they all have a criminal background...yes definitely working on better social integration.

BFMTV (in french)

Very difficult NIL, to work on the integration of people who are still treated like 3rd rate citizens- despite being French and born in France- just because their grand-parents were from North African ex French colonies! Strangely enough, many of the NF activists in the South of France are 2nd/3rd immigrants from Italy and Spain.

Did you ever see the Mathieu Kassovitz (of Amélie fame) film 'La Haine'? 97, I think if was. You can see it on u-tube.

As a teacher in very multicultural schools in the UK, I worked for 30+ years with several FRench schools in several areas (Normandie and Vosges)- and the anti-Islam and racism by French colleagues was incredible- both from the far left, and the far right- with very few in-between (pas la peine d'essayer avec ces bronzés- not worth even trying with those darkies). The 2 terrorists killed today were raised by the French State as orphans - I cannot begin to think what that experience was like. Not that excuses in any way shape of form the murders- but there is a massive anti-Islam movement in France, as said, from both extreme left and extreme right- and the historical principle of secularity (laïcité) is used again and again by both sides to hide under. When organising exchanges, it was impossible on several occasions to find families, and teachers, prepared to host some of our best students and linguists, because they were Muslims (and from VERY good homes too)!

This attitude and mentality of victimization is the very first barrier to integration. Tragically, it is mostly self-inflicted.

I would agree in the UK - but not in France. Have you ever lived or worked in France, Phos? and seen it with your own eyes? Unless you have, and studied the history of France and how secularity came about, etc- it may well be difficult to fathom just how different the situation, and attitudes, are diametrically opposed to the UK.

FTFY.

Indeed, they should have saved tax dollars and decapitated him on the spot.

Tom

I blame Charles Martel.

I suspect that there are a lot of "cultural Muslims" out there who also don't and aren't willing to heed the advice of ""Whoever insults a Prophet kill him." If there were many more Muslims who truly followed that, then I suspect that we'd be seeing many more terrorist attacks than we already do.

When I say "cultural Muslims," I refer to those who were born and raised in a Muslim culture but who do not, for example, pray to Mecca every day or feast during Ramadan, who might sneak a drink now and then, etc. -- and it's been my experience that there are many of them.

I personally have no idea if the Muslim world is "missing a sense of humor" because I am not really part of that world. But it does make me remember the time that my Muslim boss had a work party and ended up getting so drunk that he table danced for everyone.

To answer your question... yes, I studied Philosophy and art history for quite some time (I'd like to point out, thought, that this was not originally brought up by me in this thread). Some of my studies focused on comparative religion and the philosophy of religion, but the majority of it focused on Eastern thought (Buddhism, Taoism, etc.), as I had planned/hoped to teach Eastern art.

I agree with what someone else wrote here, that they were most likely using their religion as an excuse to commit acts of violence. Why else is it that so many Muslims can follow Islam without resorting to violence, and yet some (thankfully, the minority) do? I don't think it is the religion alone that makes them violent. I'm sure there are many other factors involved.

Yes, I have. Complicated people, and sometimes snobby and difficult. I try to avoid them now. But nevertheless, they won't try to flog or decapitate you for saying the wrong thing. And they are often aesthetically and stylistically evolved.

I normally have mixed feelings about the death penalty, but I must admit that in this case, I wished they would have slowly cut off all his limbs... without anesthetic.

(OMG, did I just write that?!? )

No you only gave 4 locations/spots? Or maybe you have a problem with big numbers over 4?

Odile,

Why don't you ask the Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and others in many countries and continents where Islamist butchers have targetted what their feelings are?
Maybe we could start with Nigeria where thousands have recently been slaughtered.
How many Islamic capitals will be ACTIVELY condemning this carnage?
Floggings, stonings, burnings, amputations, beheadings are hardly the hallmark of a civilised society.
I hold no candle for LePenn, or that supercilious grinning idiot, Farage, but BBC reports that a blogger has today been flogged in the center of civilisation... the KSA!

I had 4 browser windows open with streaming news so maybe I subconsciously got stuck at 4. I can count to 9 thank you very much, double digits can get tricky though

Finally. I was wondering when they would come to, and even started to question what they are about:

Anonymous declares war on Jihadist Extremists

So, perhaps on EF, rather than groaning, we should behead or castrate?

Tom

Please don't mix everything- my post above has nothing to do with this- which I of course totally condemn. I hope you took the trouble to also write to KSA via Amnesty International about the floggings of this poor blogger. It's not about 'either/or' surely.

Conflating French-born Muslims in Paris with Boko Haram and the oppressive state of Saudi Arabia is as idiotic as the terrorists' conflating of Jewish bakers in Paris with Mossad and the IDF.