Protecting yourself and reprising are not the same thing. Reprisals are an idiot's response. Self-protection is a rational response. But there are other soft-decisions that are made towards this.

Europe doesn't really have a taste for this, and neither do I. Most of us would rather go snow-boarding. This is nowhere near the pain threshold they need to react in full force. At the moment, these are just images that flash across the media landscape, for most people.


Sure. But in the context of today's situation and this thread, and throughout the world, it is in fact Muslim extremist fighting for Islam.

I can think of six million reasons.

Their version of Islam.

Demented idiots, of any religious persuasion, have always existed and will continue to cause carnage in the future.
We have to accept that and continue life as normal.
Currently we have Islamic fanatics running amok.
We should close our borders to them and stand back to let them slaughter each other whether in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya....... wherever.

The interventionist policies of Bush and TB liar have proven to be utterly futile.
Still, I guess the bottom line of the oil majors dictates policy.

Apart from the barbaric practices advocated by Islam (stoning, beheading, amputations) it has added little to the general font of human knowledge.
You try to enter the Kingdom wearing any sort of religious symbol or carrying a Bible, Torah or any other religious text and what will happen?
It will be confiscated.

Are there various versions of Islam? Who are "they"? How do you differentiate between them? Please feel free explain.

Fixed....oops....good thing I'm not in Germany!

It just shows what a complete farce je suis Charlie is.

If you want freedom of speech it needs to be universal with no exceptions I'm afraid.

Free speech doesn't exist and has never existed.

It's the same flavour pie in the sky as equality.

The real world doesn't work that way.

A big difference with someone who has studied the texts, be it the Bible or the Quoran- discussed them with family, friends and 'leaders' with deeper knowledge of them- be they Imam or Priest- and those who have just taken in a few snippets out of context, from others with a militarist/terrorist aim.

Anyone who has studied the texts about Jihad, and their context in war- will not come to the same conclusion as those 2 guys- and other ****ed people- yes, many of them who are susceptible to be brain-washed for all sorts of reasons. Same for many young zionist, who use the Torah to validate the occupation of Palestine.

Think how easy it would be to do the same by quoting many parts of the Old Testament, for instance.

Charlie Hebdo did revendicate absolute Free Speech in all circumstances (but sacked one of their oldest catoonists and founder members for anti jewish comments- how is that for hypocrisy).

I know that. But the je suis Charlie morons don't.

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/A...ef=IC1012-4388


I believe the above article will help to understand my statement.

Do you think bin Laden or the current ISIS Caliph would Martyr himself for Allah? Of course not. They persuade angry young men to die instead.

Also illegal in Switzerland, you have been reported.

The French Government should give him a medal for bravery, and to damp down the current surge of anti Muslim prejudice.

Close the borders? They were born in France! .

Of course the clever people are the leaders and would never do a suicide mission. Consequently the people who do are not the brightest bulbs on the tree which is why they are less competent than say the IRA.
Example is 9/11 where half the would be pilots failed training.

Another cartoon.
The Weekend Australian newspaper published the cartoon by Bill Leak entitled "Let us pray" in which Jesus is holding up the Koran and telling Mohammed: "I've told you this needs a sequel", a reference to the Bible which has an Old and New Testament.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...Bz7WYvFvUE1.99

That reminds me of a former boss of Algerian origin who used to joke about Islam being something like Windows 1.0.

The Koran is the sequel.

In many ways, Islam can be seen as the Orthodox Christian reformation. A sort of back-to-basics movement.

The parallels with some of the more extreme protestant churches are quite entertaining when you start to compare them...

And yet, in many, many ways (most) Orthodox Church is very similar to the Catholic Church. Of course, the former rejecting the Papal authority.

I grew up with Harakiri, it's original version, with Wollinsky and all in the 60s. Then when I lived in the UK, visiting friends would bring me copies when they visited, same with Le Canard Enchaîné. Just like UK friends now bring me Private Eye - or even gardening magazines

Now perhaps we could discuss the difference with the kind of free speech and irreverence shown by Private Eye- as compared to Charlie Hebdo or Le Canard? Any thoughts?

This Sunday at 'our' Church, the first ecumenical service of the year- of course 'just' Protestants and Catholics- but what a huge step. I grew up in a very divided Protestant versus Catholic era here- my father from a staunch Catholic family, and my mother a Protestant divorcee with a child (+ from very different 'social' backgrounds)- hell on earth it was.

The main difference? Ian Hislop's smug gittery hasn't resulted in multiple bereavement.