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Respect someone elses faith and sacntities and in return they should respect your freedom of speech. No need to insult someone's religion, just as there is no need to condemn someone's ability to excersize free speech. Both sides require responsibility, which a minority on each side seem to lack unfortunately.
And what should happen to them if they don't respect your faith?
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And what should happen to them if they don't respect your faith?
My faith? Who says I have a faith?
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Old 10.01.2015, 21:58
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

Quite a surreal interview with the hostage of the Kouachi brothers.

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My faith? Who says I have a faith?
Not you personally. I should have said "one's faith".
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Respect someone elses faith and sacntities and in return they should respect your freedom of speech. No need to insult someone's religion, just as there is no need to condemn someone's ability to excersize free speech. Both sides require responsibility, which a minority on each side seem to lack unfortunately.
you really don't get it.
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Old 10.01.2015, 22:03
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Not you personally. I should have said "one's faith".
They should be frowned at?

Not sure what answer you're looking for.
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What an arse. Not you, Phos
Yes, he is, and would vomit on me. Punk ass. But that attitude gives me confidence that magazine would get back to where it was. I mean, I hate that magazine, like with a passion. But on principle, would be pleased to see it continue on.
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Old 10.01.2015, 22:13
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They should be frowned at?

Not sure what answer you're looking for.
That would be lovely, wouldn't it?
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Old 10.01.2015, 22:16
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No need to insult.
Define insult.
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Old 10.01.2015, 22:28
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

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Really? I found at least 4 Charlie Hebdo cartoons on Judaism and they also had a regular column lambasting the religion for a while so Google tells me.
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That would be lovely, wouldn't it?
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at or what point you're trying to make. Spell it out for me.


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Define insult.
Sorry I can't interact with you because you go crying to the mods and then they ban me. I'd appreciate it if you don't try and bait me into a discussion with you. Thanks.
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Old 10.01.2015, 22:34
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Sorry I can't interact with you
Of course you can. In a civilized way. The point being that you can't go by fundamentalists' definition of insult (blasphemy in their vocabulary), otherwise, you let yourself be reduced to silence. And when there is a disagreement between both parts like between you and me, a civilized way to solve it is moderation team evaluation of the situation, like between you and me - and not terrorism like between Charlie Hebdo and some islamic fundamentalists.
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Old 10.01.2015, 22:39
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

No thanks. Your choice not mine
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Old 10.01.2015, 23:04
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

Regardless of what religion these murderers followed, it was their free will that caused them to commit these acts. The entire religion of Islam does not deserve to be blamed for the acts of a few of its misguided followers, just as the entire religion of Christianity (for example) should not be blamed if some freak decides to bomb an abortion clinic.

These murderers (probably) wanted to be martyrs. I think we should not grant them that wish by allowing what they did to cause even more tensions between the Muslim and the non-Muslim world.
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Regardless of what religion these murderers followed, it was their free will that caused them to commit these acts. The entire religion of Islam does not deserve to be blamed for the acts of a few of its misguided followers, just as the entire religion of Christianity (for example) should not be blamed if some freak decides to bomb an abortion clinic.

These murderers (probably) wanted to be martyrs. I think we should not grant them that wish by allowing what they did to cause even more tensions between the Muslim and the non-Muslim world.
Ahhh, that is your agenda. Well of course. I thought you were interested in the Truth.

Well, that is all fine with me, as long as you aren't trying to sell sugar-coated versions of dangerous ideas. Peace is good. But you ought to know though, we aren't ignorant teenagers here.

Then I'll just finally add that Muslims should address the violent side of Islam. I really do say this out of love for them. They are first and foremost injured by this before anybody else.
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Old 10.01.2015, 23:28
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

Quite a natural reaction when you hear that Geert Wildres is now defending Charlie Hebdo or that Avigdor Lieberman comes to the rally in Paris.
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Ahhh, that is your agenda. Well of course. I thought you were interested in the Truth.

Well, that is all fine with me, as long as you aren't trying to sell sugar-coated versions of dangerous ideas. Peace is good. But you ought to know though, we aren't ignorant teenagers here.

Then I'll just finally add that Muslims should address the violent side of Islam. I really do say this out of love for them. They are first and foremost injured by this before anybody else.
I'm beginning to think that you just enjoy arguing, Phos.
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I'm beginning to think that you just enjoy arguing, Phos.
Well, I just don't like bullshit.
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Old 10.01.2015, 23:34
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Well, I just don't like bullshit.
You don't like what you personally interpret as bullshit.

Yeah. So much for the freedom of speech.
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Well, I just don't like bullshit.
Try it with some dry white wine and chili wurst
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