 | | | 
14.01.2015, 02:50
| Banned | | Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Bern
Posts: 70
Groaned at 42 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 191 Times in 82 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | Where and how ? Pakistan is neither hosting nor training Islamist radicals
| | | | |
I know! Osama Bin Laden was a freedom fighter amirite!?!
| This user would like to thank farmadoc for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 03:03
| Banned | | Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Bern
Posts: 70
Groaned at 42 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 191 Times in 82 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: |  | | | Can you go past Russell Brand hair and tatooes - and listen to his reaction to Sky News Judge Jeanine violent hate rant? http://youtu.be/RPK7t5B2UN4 | | | | | Looking past the hair and tatoos...I see more hair and tatoos. He's found a moron on Fox News. Well, he's not the first - it's what pays John Stewart's salary. But the link to Rupert Murdoch is erroneous. He's a right wing nut job, he owns a right wing nut job media empire that employs right wing nut jobs. If he didn't own Fox, it'd still be just as right wing - he didn't make his employees right wing nor did he make his audience right wing. And to think he's directing his juggernaut media empire to benefit a tiny oil interest is bizarre.
| The following 2 users would like to thank farmadoc for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 06:38
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 18,978
Groaned at 332 Times in 257 Posts
Thanked 11,715 Times in 6,858 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | I know! Osama Bin Laden was a freedom fighter amirite!?! | | | | |
Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi Business Tycoon who purchased Services from the CIA in Peshawar
By your definition, the states of Pakistan of course are states of the USA, WANNABE USA STATES
| 
14.01.2015, 08:54
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.ZH
Posts: 11,807
Groaned at 463 Times in 380 Posts
Thanked 18,446 Times in 9,331 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | Where and how ? Pakistan is neither hosting nor training Islamist radicals
| | | | | Wolli. Are you for real?
I know we can't have an open and rather honest discussion on EF, on this topic (which is rather sad), but insulting our intelligence that way...O.K. Whatever.
Edit: Not totally unrelated....funerals for the two islamist brothers were held in Pakistan.
Last edited by greenmount; 14.01.2015 at 09:30.
| The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 09:17
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,557
Groaned at 103 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 3,245 Times in 1,317 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings
Oh come on, greenmount, the discussion has been very open!
| The following 2 users would like to thank MidfieldGeneral for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 09:30
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CHE
Posts: 1,361
Groaned at 75 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 3,225 Times in 1,406 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings
Why is this becoming all about the US and FoxNews? | Quote: | |  | | | America: this is not about you, it's about us. I'm not sure if Americans understand that concept yet. | | | | | Looks like EF'ers haven't got the concept yet either | The following 3 users would like to thank esto for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 09:38
|  | Newbie | | Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: CH
Posts: 1
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 52 Times in 20 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | Pakistan is neither hosting nor training Islamist radicals | | | | | You need help! | The following 2 users would like to thank CharlieH for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 10:06
| Banned | | Join Date: May 2010 Location: geneve
Posts: 734
Groaned at 287 Times in 110 Posts
Thanked 1,374 Times in 546 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings
Hmmm, the Mayor of Rotterdam (NL) who btw is a Muslim immigrant, shares the same opinion just like me, "if you don't like the west, than pack your bags and FAFF OFF". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...e-freedom.html
I was told my opinion is stupid here... So is the Mayor of Rotterdam stupid as well or maybe I can become the Mayor of Geneva?!
Seriously, we need more Muslim voices like these to be heard, these people should be in the news and be an example.
Well done and he would get my vote if I lived in Rotterdam.
Anybody else think this is politically incorrect?! You can faff off as well | The following 4 users would like to thank idefix for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 10:44
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,361
Groaned at 337 Times in 273 Posts
Thanked 26,263 Times in 11,000 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | Hmmm, the Mayor of Rotterdam (NL) who btw is a Muslim immigrant, shares the same opinion just like me, "if you don't like the west, than pack your bags and FAFF OFF". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...e-freedom.html
I was told my opinion is stupid here... So is the Mayor of Rotterdam stupid as well or maybe I can become the Mayor of Geneva?! 
Seriously, we need more Muslim voices like these to be heard, these people should be in the news and be an example.
Well done and he would get my vote if I lived in Rotterdam.
Anybody else think this is politically incorrect?! You can faff off as well  | | | | | Don't forget that Rotterdam was the city of Pim Fortuin.
Nobody attempting to step in Pim's footsteps can afford to waste time with politically correct apologisms.
This is not the first time the present mayor has made statements of this nature.
| The following 3 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 10:46
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | Anybody else think this is politically incorrect?! You can faff off as well  | | | | | Oh, bu.. b.. but, it may not be good for an extremist's self-esteem. | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 10:57
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: -
Posts: 1,640
Groaned at 26 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 2,932 Times in 1,202 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | A very interesting article, by Yasmin Alibhai Brown
Far too many Western muslims speak of freedom as a sin... | | | | | Reminds me of when I tried reading up on the subject of apostasy and atheism on a Muslim forum to educate myself. Came across a thread where a woman was having a crisis of faith, saying she had been having some conversations with her professor and classmates on Facebook about science and that it made a lot more sense to her than anything in Koran. Most of the discussions on the forum seemed reasonable up until that point, but the majority of responses to her question were along the lines of, "Umm, first of all, what are you doing communicating with men who aren't your father or brothers?" An uphill battle to say the least.
| The following 6 users would like to thank Russkov for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:00
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.ZH
Posts: 11,807
Groaned at 463 Times in 380 Posts
Thanked 18,446 Times in 9,331 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | Don't forget that Rotterdam was the city of Pim Fortuin.
Nobody attempting to step in Pim's footsteps can afford to waste time with politically correct apologisms.
This is not the first time the present mayor has made statements of this nature. | | | | | And yet, this message could be grabbed, used (or/and twisted) in the most cynical way by the wrong kind of people.
| This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:11
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,361
Groaned at 337 Times in 273 Posts
Thanked 26,263 Times in 11,000 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | Looking past the hair and tatoos...I see more hair and tatoos. He's found a moron on Fox News. Well, he's not the first - it's what pays John Stewart's salary. But the link to Rupert Murdoch is erroneous. He's a right wing nut job, he owns a right wing nut job media empire that employs right wing nut jobs. If he didn't own Fox, it'd still be just as right wing - he didn't make his employees right wing nor did he make his audience right wing. And to think he's directing his juggernaut media empire to benefit a tiny oil interest is bizarre. | | | | | Strangely, no.
A work colleague of mine was formerly with Fox News. She's not at all right wing. When asked, she says it was just a job.
Of course I'm not disagreeing with the thrust of your argument, mind you, just being pedantic.
| The following 4 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:12
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | "if you don't like the west, than pack your bags and FAFF OFF". | | | | |
Interesting. There are several aspects of modern European culture I find thoroughly objectionable.
Should I, therefore, also "faff off", or do different rules apply to blue eyed white men like me?
| The following 5 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:15
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | And yet, this message could be grabbed, used (or/and twisted) in the most cynical way by the wrong kind of people. | | | | | In what way? Boris Johnson grabbed and used it, then says, "I'm not bothered by civil liberties stuff for terror suspects". When an integrated Muslim says it, it is great leadership. When a non-Muslim leader says it, it is racist oppression. Same statement, same meaning. Is that racism?
| The following 5 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:20
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,557
Groaned at 103 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 3,245 Times in 1,317 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings
surely its about context and who says it and when. I don't think Boris Johnson is a racist so if he said that I would agree with him but if say Nigel Farage said it then I would be highly suspicious of his motives.
| This user would like to thank MidfieldGeneral for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:22
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | In what way? Boris Johnson grabbed and used it, then says, "I'm not bothered by civil liberties stuff for terror suspects". When an integrated Muslim says it, it is great leadership. When a non-Muslim leader says it, it is racist oppression. Same statement, same meaning. Is that racism? | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | surely its about context and who says it and when. I don't think Boris Johnson is a racist so if he said that I would agree with him but if say Nigel Farage said it then I would be highly suspicious of his motives. | | | | |
I'm just amused by the fact that civil liberties are REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT and NOT AT ALL IMPORTANT at the same time.
Western values, eh? Aye, when they suit... | The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:25
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.ZH
Posts: 11,807
Groaned at 463 Times in 380 Posts
Thanked 18,446 Times in 9,331 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | surely its about context and who says it and when. I don't think Boris Johnson is a racist so if he said that I would agree with him but if say Nigel Farage said it then I would be highly suspicious of his motives. | | | | | Or Marine Le Pen, or Geert Wilders, or...., or.... | 
14.01.2015, 11:31
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,557
Groaned at 103 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 3,245 Times in 1,317 Posts
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: |  | | | I'm just amused by the fact that civil liberties are REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT and NOT AT ALL IMPORTANT at the same time.
Western values, eh? Aye, when they suit...  | | | | | who said that civil liberties are not important? are we not allowed to be suspicious of someone's motives?
| This user would like to thank MidfieldGeneral for this useful post: | | 
14.01.2015, 11:32
| | Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings | Quote: | |  | | | How? She was unhinged and over the top, and if she did something illegal, she should be prosecuted. If she didn't, and she's within here bounds, what is there to do?
But you originally said she was calling for the indiscriminate killing of people, which I took your word for. But on further consideration, she really didn't do that, did she? | | | | | Must have missed it- where did she propose a Court of law to Judge fairly who is, or isn't, a terrorist? Where would she draw, and expect others to draw when executing her 'orders'- the line? Could you enlighten me about where YOU would decide on who needs to be killed or not- in this context. In the Paris case, it was quite obvious and clear, and they were killed- but in many cases it would not. Pray tell.
Not what happened is not about the USA, or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan- but about the situation in France- which is totally different, with mostly peaceful and non threatening and 'terrorist' Muslims. Comparing what happens in Nigeria or wherever does not help finding solutions for France as a country, does it?
But when Murdoch and his pals in his big empire clearly appropriate what is happening in Paris and in France, to lie (the Birmingham rant was very funny, but... just illustrates how well their 'facts and research' are poor and biased) and misuse to sway those US (later edit, cannot reply to comment sorry) citizens who already hate Muslims and immigrants in general, many of which and probably the majority, Fox News watchers- then it is very concerning imho.
Last edited by Odile; 14.01.2015 at 11:50.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:29. | |