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The man who saved the customers in the supermarket is to be made a French citizen next week
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Friends in Paris are unable to buy a single copy. It would be funny if a rich Saudi was buying them all up and throwing them in an incinerator.
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Old 15.01.2015, 23:14
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Apparently, the founder of Charlie Hebdo thinks the editor Stephane Charbonnier dragged his team to death.
Not "the founder", that's yet another lie about Charlie Hebdo related issues, he was just an early participant in the publishing team, which he lead for some years too (Harakiri, Charlie mensuel). He has an old disagreement with the rest of the team, especially the one who founded Charlie Hebdo after the end of Harakiri. Disagreement started in 1974.

I don't see how one can call Roussel a founder of Charlie Hebdo as he has never owned any part of the capital. He just worked for the newspaper, that's all. He was part of the driving force of Charlie mensuel, but that was a totally different kind of publication about comics nowhere near the style of Charlie Hebdo.

His critics against Choron at the time and afterwards against Charb are due to old political issues. Roussel ended up working for le Nouvel Obs, that says it all.

As always, ignorance of the culture, politics and history of the journal lead to false statements in the international press. Just stop reading anything not written by French people about Charlie Hebdo.
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In this case Faltrad, I disagree. Hara Kiri, Charlie, Charlie Hebdo were read by French speakers all over the Francophone world- including Romandie. Some of us read them a long time before you were born from 1960. Le Journal Bête et méchant (stupid and nasty).

I'd say Roussel and Siné were 2 of the early founder members- not 'just worked there'. Founder members were all about the ideas, not about the finance. Siné's freedom of speech about Zarkozi's son's pretend conversion to Judaism didn't seem to be appreciated by Wolinsky and others, and he was sacked. So- freedom of speech is not absolute, even for the writers and cartoonist of CH.
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Not "the founder", that's yet another lie about Charlie Hebdo related issues, he was just an early participant in the publishing team, which he lead for some years too (Harakiri, Charlie mensuel). He has an old disagreement with the rest of the team, especially the one who founded Charlie Hebdo after the end of Harakiri. Disagreement started in 1974.

I don't see how one can call Roussel a founder of Charlie Hebdo as he has never owned any part of the capital. He just worked for the newspaper, that's all. He was part of the driving force of Charlie mensuel, but that was a totally different kind of publication about comics nowhere near the style of Charlie Hebdo.

His critics against Choron at the time and afterwards against Charb are due to old political issues. Roussel ended up working for le Nouvel Obs, that says it all.

As always, ignorance of the culture, politics and history of the journal lead to false statements in the international press. Just stop reading anything not written by French people about Charlie Hebdo.
You're right.
Tragic circumstances revived my interest for the French culture anyway.
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Why?

Should non-USA people not be allowed to comment on the dangerous stupidity of, say, Fox News?
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In this case Faltrad, I disagree. Hara Kiri, Charlie, Charlie Hebdo were read by French speakers all over the Francophone world.
We can agree on that. For the rest, we live in totally different galaxies.
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Not "the founder", that's yet another lie about Charlie Hebdo related issues, he was just an early participant in the publishing team, which he lead for some years too (Harakiri, Charlie mensuel). He has an old disagreement with the rest of the team, especially the one who founded Charlie Hebdo after the end of Harakiri. Disagreement started in 1974.
Ah, so he just had an axe to grind, and at 80, is probably beginning to lose brain cells.
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Old 16.01.2015, 00:27
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Ah, so he just had an axe to grind, and at 80, is probably beginning to lose brain cells.
He isn't the only ex-Hebdo journalist who disagreed with the magazine's trajectory post 9-11

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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

I've read that the weapons for the attack were actually bought on credit (though the guy faked an income statement to get the loan).
So, is this really the top of the credit-bubble? Terrorist attacks on the nod?
In the old days, they'd rob a bank or two.
These days, even terrorists don't seem to have patience anymore to save the money up front.
On top of it, the loan came with an insurance so his family wouldn't have to pay it back in case he died.

That said, I bet we'll get "By signing, you swear you won't buy weapons or help terrorist with the money we loan you" tugged away somewhere in credit application forms.

I really hate those loons just for that.
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He isn't the only ex-Hebdo journalist who disagreed with the magazine's trajectory post 9-11
Ah, so Charb may have had the axe to grind and was perhaps losing brain cells. Fair enough and conceivable. I've seen plenty of such cases. If so, may not quite be the moral hero he is being elevated to. Eh, but he's French, and some of us know what that can be like. It's unfortunate he was martyred.
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That said, I bet we'll get "By signing, you swear you won't buy weapons or help terrorist with the money we loan you" tugged away somewhere in credit application forms.

I really hate those loons just for that.
Well, the Germans are proposing a Jihadi card.
GERMANY PROPOSES ‘JIHADI IDENTITY CARD’

Perhaps incentivizing it by doubling frequent flyer miles towards the purchase of ammo might help popularize it.
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Ah, so Charb may have had the axe to grind and was perhaps losing brain cells. Fair enough and conceivable. I've seen plenty of such cases. If so, may not quite be the moral hero he is being elevated to. Eh, but he's French, and some of us know what that can be like. It's unfortunate he was martyred.
So he's the bad guy now, right?
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So he's the bad guy now, right?
Of course not. Having an opinion is a basic human right.

He was obviously a talented man gifted with the ability to juxtapose reality. He should not have been executed by those who were simply unable to rebut him, let alone have the ability to articulate a response to his work. That massacre made me feel like we're living in the Planet of the Apes.
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These days, even terrorists don't seem to have patience anymore to save the money up front.
Reminds me of this classic sketch

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Of course not. Having an opinion is a basic human right.
Are you sure you know what was his "opinion", exactly?

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I've read that the weapons for the attack were actually bought on credit (though the guy faked an income statement to get the loan).
So, is this really the top of the credit-bubble? Terrorist attacks on the nod?
In the old days, they'd rob a bank or two.
These days, even terrorists don't seem to have patience anymore to save the money up front.
On top of it, the loan came with an insurance so his family wouldn't have to pay it back in case he died.

That said, I bet we'll get "By signing, you swear you won't buy weapons or help terrorist with the money we loan you" tugged away somewhere in credit application forms.

I really hate those loons just for that.
Not a far-off scenario...
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Are you sure you know what was his "opinion", exactly?
To be honest, I haven't seen nor digested all his works. I find many Charlie Hebdo's examples to be offensive, and whatever his opinions were, I am sure I would not have agreed with him. Seems to be some form of leftist atheist shock art. Whatever it was, I don't think snuffing him out was the smart thing to do. It is disgusting, and would have just martyred him anyway. But respect for talent where it is due, nevertheless.
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To be honest, I haven't seen nor digested all his works. I find many Charlie Hebdo's examples to be offensive, and whatever his opinions were, I am sure I would not have agreed with him. Seems to be some form of leftist atheist shock art. Whatever it was, I don't think snuffing him out was the smart thing to do. It is disgusting, and would have just martyred him anyway. But respect for talent where it is due, nevertheless.


From what I know about CharlieHebdo (and that is not much really) I suppose that my opinions differ from theirs, but I strongly disagree with having them killed/assassinated
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From what I know about CharlieHebdo (and that is not much really) I suppose that my opinions differ from theirs, but I strongly disagree with having them killed/assassinated


The Hebdoo Cartoons did no damage to Christianity or Judaism. They did a great deal of damage to Islam, not because they were well done, but because Islam is shot through with violent anger and insecurity.


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To be honest, I haven't seen nor digested all his works. I find many Charlie Hebdo's examples to be offensive, and whatever his opinions were, I am sure I would not have agreed with him. Seems to be some form of leftist atheist shock art. Whatever it was, I don't think snuffing him out was the smart thing to do. It is disgusting, and would have just martyred him anyway. But respect for talent where it is due, nevertheless.
But you believed that from the very beginning, didn't you?
Although I'm not particularly fond of some of their cartoons because I can imagine people have sensibilities and I for one wouldn't hurt anyone's feelings if I can avoid it (but I admit they made me laugh, especially those about Christianity), I think every ideology ought to be subject to criticism. They didn't spare anyone's feelings... Besides, it might be of some interest for you to know that in their last edition (prior to them being executed), quite on the cover, they ridiculed Michel Houellebecq and his book "Submission". If that doesn't dissipate every doubts one may have, I don't know what else would.
True, nobody has to like what they did.
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