Yeah, as if we're going to see an European Guantanamo any time soon. (such a straw man argument)

Guantanamo was the outcome of not following the processes already in place, and then trying to save face.

Terrorism is either a war crime or a crime. For either, there are either military courts, or criminal courts. The problem with Gitmo was that there are people languishing there for upto a decade now, imprisoned due to guilt by association, who never received a trial of any kind whatsoever. Many were radicalised as a result, and now nobody knows what to do with them, other than hope some country or another eventually accepts them.

For those returning from Syria, assuming guilt by association would only sow the seeds for bigger problems down the road. If there is intelligence available about a person, they must be arrested and tried, and then set free if found not guilty. If the authorities are suspicious but have no evidence, nothing prevents governments from keeping returnees under surveillance, resources and warrants permitting.

It wasn't an argument for Guantanamo. But the lack of such a system is what was used for justifying Guantanamo.


It was not for failure to follow process, but a lack of process for what the Bush regime purported to be extraordinary circumstances. It was sold as merely an interrogation center, prior to processing for War Crimes . But the detainees were held indefinitely without charge, which is where the process or lack of broke down. But I suppose there are varying degrees of opinions on this as in everything else.

I think there needs to be an international court system set up for these situations, with clearly defined due process and some credibility with the Muslim world for prosecuting terrorists. Unfortunately, a large portion of the Muslim world do not recognize the credibility of existing international organizations. But then, these same probably do not recognize the legitimacy of their own governments either, let alone International laws.

I don't think a small Swedish village community is equipped to weigh this out on behalf of the rest of the world.

Sorry, I was referring to Kosti's post who brought into discussion Guantanamo, as an answer to common sense questions. (didn't see the need to even consider this non-sense)

I agree with the lack of a proper system.

No need of European Guatanamo, any one of them who has committed a crime against humanity: homicide, torture, rape, beheading etc. should be sentenced to min. of 25 years; 40-year sentence for repeat offenders!

You don't need to be Einstein to realize that we are dealing with very dangerous people; even Nil can understand this.

Only those not convicted of serious crimes may be deemed for rehabilitation.

Unfortunately you are not going to get much verifiable evidence out of a war zone unless the place is crawling with investigators, and then you'll probably discover that war crimes are being committed by all sides including those sponsored by us and the GCC states (e.g. Kurds, Syrian rebel forces etc..).

Everyone seems to have this image of Jihad John coming back, in reality its more likely to be a shell shocked kid who wanted some cool pics for his Facebook page.

I lol'd.

Agree 100%

Most people behind this mess have actually never been to Syria!

I don't see that as a reason to turn a blind eye. If we really want to take the moral high ground we must also lean on our allies so they understand two wrongs don't make a right.

War crime tribunals become a farce if they give one side a softer treatment.

Right. Defining International terrorism laws are still in process, and under negotiations. They are stuck on defining what terrorism is.

But things like participating in, or providing material support to Terrorism are in place, and this is probably the extent to what they can charge with unless they have more evidence or compound to the laws.

Just as well none of the governments deciding what these international standards of terrorism are, have ever provided any support to terrorist organisations themselves.

What do you mean where did they get the weapons from?!

I wouldn't mind seeing a solid case put forth, and Magna Carta invoked. Because without it, these are relegated to the realm of rumours, gossip, inuendos and conspiracy theories. I do agree that many governments need a thorough cleansing, and hope it would happen sooner rather than later.

Complete BONKERS! West has really lost the plot, interesting and depressing times ahead.

For the apologists, how about hosting these people in your own home so you can provide direct love and care?

I say we do a pilot project, we adopt 4 muslim terrorists and we give 2 to Castro and 2 to Mirfield, they will need to host them in their own homes and help them socialize and feel part of the community. They can share the experience with us afterwards

We're talking about Sweden and Denmark, two EU countries that are not exactly top of the list when it comes to blowback from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Castro, would you prefer a Swiss Jihadist or you will be happy with a Swedish one?

I think this was tried some years ago. It turned out they were really good at take offs in the Boeing 767, but their landing skills left a lot to be desired ....

Ahmed from Sweden just called and cancelled, he is not really interested in rehabilitation, all he said was " that government job I need to get my virgins"

Ruedi on the other hand would love to come back in Switzerland and he would love to come and live with you but there will be some non-negotiable ground rules set first...

Well, the nutters have certainly come out of the woodwork in this thread, haven't they!

For those following it and brainwashed by it, absolutely.

You're nonsensical. You wax lyrical about how these are evil men, and then suggest we send them where they will be tortured and killed, and we would be party to that. You're no better then the Jihadis.


Not a hope in hell.

Idiotic post #2.

For the umpteenth time, no one is suggesting they go free. They would, of course, be monitored to within an inch of their lives, and every single aspect of their life would be controlled. They would likely spend years in prison before being allowed on the streets. And prison would not be, as you seem to imply' a matter of fun. You take your freedom for granted if you consider the loss of it to be such a trivial matter.

Cut the Fox News out of your life and try to comprehend the possibility that violence alone does not solve a problem like this, it just makes it last longer. We've been fighting this war for 15 years, and we are less free, less safe, and less secure now then when we began, and our enemies seem to be multiplying. I cannot point out any clearer that our strategy needs to change, and needs to be more holistic then the Republican sponsored 'shoot them all, ask questions later'.

How can you prove, beyond any and all reasonable doubt, that they did kill?


But the flip side to that coin is that you cannot easily prove that they did do something, thanks to the mess the whole region is in and the lack of reliable information.

Do you punish them for crimes they had the potential to commit, but you have no actual proof of?

I wouldn't go that far. Civilization, and its principle, is much stronger, and will always be stronger then the likes of IS to seriously be able to challenge. A threat to our safety, sure. Criminals that warrant further control and retention that most criminals, absolutely.

Its more likely that a rogue government will get its hands on nukes and we will face that threat then the likes of IS ever getting one. To do so, and detonate it, would kick off world war three, and it would basically be everyone v IS, and IS have no hope in hell then. They know that, and so do we.

Absolutely. I expect its one reason why they aren't being investigated; to investigate them would implicate our allies, and then we say goodbye to all our friends in the region.

People also seem to forget that the likes of the stereotypical jihadi john with an AK in each pocket and an RPG across his back wont want to come back. The ones that want to return are those who are willing to accept lifelong imprisonment to get out of there.

Just give them EF accounts and teach them to use the search function.

Can they survive on 120K in a cave in Syria?