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idefix 22.01.2015 13:52

Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Didn't see this coming.

Apparently some town in Sweden is offering an employment in the commune of the city and a free shrink to every Swedish Jihadist in Syria so they can come back home and start socializing and stop feel alienated. :eek:

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/komm...-is-krigare-1/

This does sound like Monty Python.

olygirl 22.01.2015 13:53

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Cheaper than going to war.

Phos 22.01.2015 14:00

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Maybe they might have some marketable skills in the Halal meat industry.

Castro 22.01.2015 14:13

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Rehabilitation... what a stupid idea :rolleyes:

idefix 22.01.2015 14:32

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2324853)
Rehabilitation... what a stupid idea :rolleyes:

So you have no problem your citizenship request or work permit or business permit to be handled by a guy who 3 months ago was chopping heads off? You are fine with that?

"Previous work experience?
-Ahm. Yes."

Corbets 22.01.2015 15:01

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2324874)
So you have no problem your citizenship request or work permit or business permit to be handled by a guy who 3 months ago was chopping heads off? You are fine with that?

"Previous work experience?
-Ahm. Yes."

As opposed to what, exactly? Lock 'em all up and throw away the key?

amogles 22.01.2015 15:08

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2324829)
Didn't see this coming.

Apparently some town in Sweden is offering an employment in the commune of the city and a free shrink to every Swedish Jihadist in Syria so they can come back home and start socializing and stop feel alienated. :eek:

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/komm...-is-krigare-1/

This does sound like Monty Python.

Back in Blighty we had a king called Ethelread the Unready who had a similar idea. He gave the Vikings money if they promised not to invade him. The Vikings took the money but invaded nevetheless. It seems today that the descendants of those Vikings have forgotten something.

So if you want a government job in Sweden, forget about polishing your CV and interviewing skills but join a Jihadist organization. Absolutely great thinking there.

marton 22.01.2015 15:11

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
State jobs? Like policemen? They are armed in Sweden? :eek:

Medea Fleecestealer 22.01.2015 15:14

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
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Originally Posted by Corbets (Post 2324904)
As opposed to what, exactly? Lock 'em all up and throw away the key?

Sounds like a good idea to me. Of course, I wouldn't waste the money keeping them in jail for the rest of their lives. Execution is what they deserve. Do unto others and all that. They want to kill people who don't share their beliefs, well that works fine for me. They don't share mine of live and let live so good riddance.

And of course we all know how well the rehabilitation thing can work out.

http://www.news.com.au/world/swiss-t...-1226719648403

greenmount 22.01.2015 15:22

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 2324910)

So if you want a government job in Sweden, forget about polishing your CV and interviewing skills but join a Jihadist organization. Absolutely great thinking there.

It simply makes a mockery of people who actually study for years in order to be able to get those jobs and who're required to prove their character and achievements.
It is surreal. :msnshock:

slammer 22.01.2015 15:26

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
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Originally Posted by Corbets (Post 2324904)
As opposed to what, exactly? Lock 'em all up and throw away the key?

Actually no, try them for murder and if that doesn't stick try them for treason, if found guilty, you then lock 'em all up and throw away the key, if not guilty of treason or murder round 'em up simply because of being a member of a criminal organization then take their passports away then send em back with a Mc Donald's happy meal coupon.

CorsebouTheReturn 22.01.2015 15:32

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Its the "victimization" society at its best-
I'm sure they are victim of nasty external individuals, let's do something for those poor babies*.

*let's forget "responsability(for their actions), moral values, common sense, respect (for others), etc...

Where's the donation link, I feel like financially supporting those poor victims!
I am going to buy a T-shirt "Je suis fecked-up".

st2lemans 22.01.2015 15:38

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2324911)
State jobs? Like policemen? They are armed in Sweden? :eek:

No, they aren't.

Tom

cannut 22.01.2015 15:45

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
How you say "Nuts" in Swedish :msnblush:

idefix 22.01.2015 15:45

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
"We see you speak foreign language and traveled abroad. You must have broad cultural views and ideas how to make our commune a better place.
- ???????
Any special skills?
- One time I chopped the heads of an entire family and their neighbors.
Wow, wow. That sounds so adventurous. You got the job, welcome to our team. Your new role is "Assistant cultural project manager".

Pixie B 22.01.2015 15:48

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
My guess would be any members who did return (if it is even possible to get out should one changes one's mind???? ), would not be the psychos who believe Allah will reward them for murder; but rather the vulnerable teens who had been manipulated into joining the cult and need rescuing! i can't imagine them being given jobs such as armed police or anything else similarly inappropriate for a person also undergoing psychological treatment. I don't speak Swedish so am only going off my browser's page translation- doesn't it say council jobs? That includes litterpicking etc, can be quite benign!

Phos 22.01.2015 15:52

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Originally Posted by slammer (Post 2324935)
and if that doesn't stick try them for treason

I don't know how it is that the West has forgotten notions of looking after its interests. Perhaps its from getting fat and lazy from its own prosperity. Perhaps it is guilt. Perhaps intellectual treason is simply in vogue in some circles, masquerading as intellect and enlightenment.

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Originally Posted by Pixie B (Post 2324964)
My guess would be any members who did return (if it is even possible to get out should one changes one's mind???? ), would not be the psychos who believe Allah will reward them for murder; but rather the vulnerable teens who had been manipulated into joining the cult and need rescuing! i can't imagine them being given jobs such as armed police or anything else similarly inappropriate for a person also undergoing psychological treatment. I don't speak Swedish so am only going off my browser's page translation- doesn't it say council jobs? That includes litterpicking etc, can be quite benign!

This is a good point. If there is real repentance, I would agree to helping them out. But there should be some quid pro quo in value, particulary in actionable intelligence and information that is of some value in the prevention of terrorism.

J2488 22.01.2015 16:01

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Have any of you bothered to read the article, rather then just go off a thread title?

Quote:

Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 2324831)
Cheaper than going to war.

And prevents further spreading of their poison.

Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism expert and more qualified to comment that anyone here:
"This is about giving these people a structure. Get them back into normality, instead of recruiting and radicalization of other young people. Preventive work so that they do not relapse into their violent activities. If you do not have a preventive work, that's when it could be disastrous consequences.
Others are critical."

Its not a 'reward' in any way, shape, or form. Its a chance to break the cycle of terrorism>heavy response>collateral damage>more terrorism.

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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2324874)
So you have no problem your citizenship request or work permit or business permit to be handled by a guy who 3 months ago was chopping heads off? You are fine with that?

"Previous work experience?
-Ahm. Yes."

Are you really so daft as to think they will immediately be given high level jobs with no supervision? Do you not think the swedish authorities will be keeping a very close track of them, and likely monitoring everything they do? The point is that rather then throw them in jail to radicalize people there, or make martyrs of them, you use them to break the cycle.

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 2324910)
Back in Blighty we had a king called Ethelread the Unready who had a similar idea. He gave the Vikings money if they promised not to invade him. The Vikings took the money but invaded nevetheless. It seems today that the descendants of those Vikings have forgotten something.

So if you want a government job in Sweden, forget about polishing your CV and interviewing skills but join a Jihadist organization. Absolutely great thinking there.

I'm pretty sure we have moved on from Ethelred. What you mention is nothing even close to what the Swedish are suggesting. They are suggesting rehabilitation, not bribing them. Bring them back in to society, and show them, and others contemplating the same path, that swedish society and their society is one and the same. End result? Those radicalizing young people have no leg to stand on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marton (Post 2324911)
State jobs? Like policemen? They are armed in Sweden? :eek:

Of course not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2324913)
Sounds like a good idea to me. Of course, I wouldn't waste the money keeping them in jail for the rest of their lives. Execution is what they deserve. Do unto others and all that. They want to kill people who don't share their beliefs, well that works fine for me. They don't share mine of live and let live so good riddance.

And of course we all know how well the rehabilitation thing can work out.

http://www.news.com.au/world/swiss-t...-1226719648403

Its funny you mention that case:
The guy was actually in jail in that case. Did being in jail help in any way? or was he just as bad, if not worse, when he came out of long-term detention?

The article pretty neatly sums up what happens when you think its as easy as 'lock them up and throw away the key'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 2324929)
It simply makes a mockery of people who actually study for years in order to be able to get those jobs and who're required to prove their character and achievements.
It is surreal. :msnshock:

Yes, because people often study for years for low level, low pay, local government jobs whilst being constantly monitored and requiring to see a shrink every week. Its what i dreamed of when i was a kid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slammer (Post 2324935)
Actually no, try them for murder and if that doesn't stick try them for treason, if found guilty, you then lock 'em all up and throw away the key, if not guilty of treason or murder round 'em up simply because of being a member of a criminal organization then take their passports away then send em back with a Mc Donald's happy meal coupon.

See above.

Those who truly believe in the above course of action don't really understand how terrorists are recruited. When you do what you suggest, you make them seem like martyrs. And you end up propagating the cycle.

PS, taking passports away is illegal, as you make them stateless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorsebouTheReturn (Post 2324941)
Its the "victimization" society at its best-
I'm sure they are victim of nasty external individuals, let's do something for those poor babies*.

*let's forget "responsability(for their actions), moral values, common sense, respect (for others), etc...

Where's the donation link, I feel like financially supporting those poor victims!
I am going to buy a T-shirt "Je suis fecked-up".

No it isnt. Its the 'lets understand terrorism for what it is, and stop the cycle spreading and creating a new generation of homegrown terrorists' society.

To all those saying this is a stupid idea, i ask this: Why is it that this war against terror, with our current tactics, seems to be getting worse and worse, instead of better and better, with every terrorist killed?

Is it possible that killing these people does not kill their ideology?

J2488 22.01.2015 16:02

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pixie B (Post 2324964)
My guess would be any members who did return (if it is even possible to get out should one changes one's mind???? ), would not be the psychos who believe Allah will reward them for murder; but rather the vulnerable teens who had been manipulated into joining the cult and need rescuing! i can't imagine them being given jobs such as armed police or anything else similarly inappropriate for a person also undergoing psychological treatment. I don't speak Swedish so am only going off my browser's page translation- doesn't it say council jobs? That includes litterpicking etc, can be quite benign!

Thank god for some common sense on this thread.

StirB 22.01.2015 16:05

Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2324913)
They don't share mine of live and let live

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2324913)
Execution is what they deserve

Lol.


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