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Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Didn't see this coming.

Apparently some town in Sweden is offering an employment in the commune of the city and a free shrink to every Swedish Jihadist in Syria so they can come back home and start socializing and stop feel alienated.

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/komm...-is-krigare-1/

This does sound like Monty Python.
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Old 22.01.2015, 13:53
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Cheaper than going to war.
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Old 22.01.2015, 14:00
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Maybe they might have some marketable skills in the Halal meat industry.
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Rehabilitation... what a stupid idea
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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Rehabilitation... what a stupid idea
So you have no problem your citizenship request or work permit or business permit to be handled by a guy who 3 months ago was chopping heads off? You are fine with that?

"Previous work experience?
-Ahm. Yes."
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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So you have no problem your citizenship request or work permit or business permit to be handled by a guy who 3 months ago was chopping heads off? You are fine with that?

"Previous work experience?
-Ahm. Yes."
As opposed to what, exactly? Lock 'em all up and throw away the key?
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Didn't see this coming.

Apparently some town in Sweden is offering an employment in the commune of the city and a free shrink to every Swedish Jihadist in Syria so they can come back home and start socializing and stop feel alienated.

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/komm...-is-krigare-1/

This does sound like Monty Python.
Back in Blighty we had a king called Ethelread the Unready who had a similar idea. He gave the Vikings money if they promised not to invade him. The Vikings took the money but invaded nevetheless. It seems today that the descendants of those Vikings have forgotten something.

So if you want a government job in Sweden, forget about polishing your CV and interviewing skills but join a Jihadist organization. Absolutely great thinking there.
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

State jobs? Like policemen? They are armed in Sweden?
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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State jobs? Like policemen? They are armed in Sweden?
No, they aren't.

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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

How you say "Nuts" in Swedish
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So if you want a government job in Sweden, forget about polishing your CV and interviewing skills but join a Jihadist organization. Absolutely great thinking there.
It simply makes a mockery of people who actually study for years in order to be able to get those jobs and who're required to prove their character and achievements.
It is surreal.
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Its the "victimization" society at its best-
I'm sure they are victim of nasty external individuals, let's do something for those poor babies*.

*let's forget "responsability(for their actions), moral values, common sense, respect (for others), etc...

Where's the donation link, I feel like financially supporting those poor victims!
I am going to buy a T-shirt "Je suis fecked-up".
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

My guess would be any members who did return (if it is even possible to get out should one changes one's mind???? ), would not be the psychos who believe Allah will reward them for murder; but rather the vulnerable teens who had been manipulated into joining the cult and need rescuing! i can't imagine them being given jobs such as armed police or anything else similarly inappropriate for a person also undergoing psychological treatment. I don't speak Swedish so am only going off my browser's page translation- doesn't it say council jobs? That includes litterpicking etc, can be quite benign!
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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My guess would be any members who did return (if it is even possible to get out should one changes one's mind???? ), would not be the psychos who believe Allah will reward them for murder; but rather the vulnerable teens who had been manipulated into joining the cult and need rescuing! i can't imagine them being given jobs such as armed police or anything else similarly inappropriate for a person also undergoing psychological treatment. I don't speak Swedish so am only going off my browser's page translation- doesn't it say council jobs? That includes litterpicking etc, can be quite benign!
Thank god for some common sense on this thread.
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Have any of you bothered to read the article, rather then just go off a thread title?

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Cheaper than going to war.
And prevents further spreading of their poison.

Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism expert and more qualified to comment that anyone here:
"This is about giving these people a structure. Get them back into normality, instead of recruiting and radicalization of other young people. Preventive work so that they do not relapse into their violent activities. If you do not have a preventive work, that's when it could be disastrous consequences.
Others are critical."

Its not a 'reward' in any way, shape, or form. Its a chance to break the cycle of terrorism>heavy response>collateral damage>more terrorism.

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So you have no problem your citizenship request or work permit or business permit to be handled by a guy who 3 months ago was chopping heads off? You are fine with that?

"Previous work experience?
-Ahm. Yes."
Are you really so daft as to think they will immediately be given high level jobs with no supervision? Do you not think the swedish authorities will be keeping a very close track of them, and likely monitoring everything they do? The point is that rather then throw them in jail to radicalize people there, or make martyrs of them, you use them to break the cycle.

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Back in Blighty we had a king called Ethelread the Unready who had a similar idea. He gave the Vikings money if they promised not to invade him. The Vikings took the money but invaded nevetheless. It seems today that the descendants of those Vikings have forgotten something.

So if you want a government job in Sweden, forget about polishing your CV and interviewing skills but join a Jihadist organization. Absolutely great thinking there.
I'm pretty sure we have moved on from Ethelred. What you mention is nothing even close to what the Swedish are suggesting. They are suggesting rehabilitation, not bribing them. Bring them back in to society, and show them, and others contemplating the same path, that swedish society and their society is one and the same. End result? Those radicalizing young people have no leg to stand on.

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State jobs? Like policemen? They are armed in Sweden?
Of course not.

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Sounds like a good idea to me. Of course, I wouldn't waste the money keeping them in jail for the rest of their lives. Execution is what they deserve. Do unto others and all that. They want to kill people who don't share their beliefs, well that works fine for me. They don't share mine of live and let live so good riddance.

And of course we all know how well the rehabilitation thing can work out.

http://www.news.com.au/world/swiss-t...-1226719648403
Its funny you mention that case:
The guy was actually in jail in that case. Did being in jail help in any way? or was he just as bad, if not worse, when he came out of long-term detention?

The article pretty neatly sums up what happens when you think its as easy as 'lock them up and throw away the key'.

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It simply makes a mockery of people who actually study for years in order to be able to get those jobs and who're required to prove their character and achievements.
It is surreal.
Yes, because people often study for years for low level, low pay, local government jobs whilst being constantly monitored and requiring to see a shrink every week. Its what i dreamed of when i was a kid.

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Actually no, try them for murder and if that doesn't stick try them for treason, if found guilty, you then lock 'em all up and throw away the key, if not guilty of treason or murder round 'em up simply because of being a member of a criminal organization then take their passports away then send em back with a Mc Donald's happy meal coupon.
See above.

Those who truly believe in the above course of action don't really understand how terrorists are recruited. When you do what you suggest, you make them seem like martyrs. And you end up propagating the cycle.

PS, taking passports away is illegal, as you make them stateless.

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Its the "victimization" society at its best-
I'm sure they are victim of nasty external individuals, let's do something for those poor babies*.

*let's forget "responsability(for their actions), moral values, common sense, respect (for others), etc...

Where's the donation link, I feel like financially supporting those poor victims!
I am going to buy a T-shirt "Je suis fecked-up".
No it isnt. Its the 'lets understand terrorism for what it is, and stop the cycle spreading and creating a new generation of homegrown terrorists' society.

To all those saying this is a stupid idea, i ask this: Why is it that this war against terror, with our current tactics, seems to be getting worse and worse, instead of better and better, with every terrorist killed?

Is it possible that killing these people does not kill their ideology?
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No it isnt. Its the 'lets understand terrorism for what it is, and stop the cycle spreading and creating a new generation of homegrown terrorists' society.

To all those saying this is a stupid idea, i ask this: Why is it that this war against terror, with our current tactics, seems to be getting worse and worse, instead of better and better, with every terrorist killed?

Is it possible that killing these people does not kill their ideology?

Not only that was a stupid idea, and your answer makes me vomit (virtually).

It's much worse than "understanding terrorism" it's taking an "discriminating" action towards people who have crossed the line.

But yeah, defend those "victims".

They had decades to read books, try to comply with most society rules and to do something with themselves. Instead they chose to go to war to potentially kill some other human beings because they think differently.
I think it's too late for education and that they should be kicked badly.
As for the idiots who are trying to defend them, they deserved the same treatment if not worse for misusing their alleged intelligence.

Well, but we won't agree, so move on.
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Its the "victimization" society at its best
Please can you explain what this means?
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

the entire notion that somehow an individual becomes a depraved, barbaric murderer solely because someone didn't love them enough is so patently absurd and offensive to logic that I honestly don't know how to rebut it.
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It simply makes a mockery of people who actually study for years in order to be able to get those jobs and who're required to prove their character and achievements.
It is surreal.
Get which jobs? These are going to be make-work jobs, simply to put people into a structured environment, give them something to live for and hope for and intensively monitor their progress all the while. No one, not a single person in the world, was born to murder. While everyone is responsible for his or her personal actions, surely it's the job of society to do what it can to shift the path of criminals back towards those of stable, law abiding people. And to the poster who said to just kill them, no comment.
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Get which jobs? These are going to be make-work jobs, simply to put people into a structured environment, give them something to live for and hope for and intensively monitor their progress all the while. No one, not a single person in the world, was born to murder. While everyone is responsible for his or her personal actions, surely it's the job of society to do what it can to shift the path of criminals back towards those of stable, law abiding people. And to the poster who said to just kill them, no comment.
I would agree with this for someone only involved with property damage. But for someone who might have slaughtered innocent people, this seems to pervert the course of justice. I thinking bringing such a person to full rehabilitation also implies bringing them to full recognition that their acts require the full course of justice.
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