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King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 1924-2015

The king of Saudi Arabia is dead. He had been king since 2005, but since he became regent in 1995 upon his half-brother's stroke Abdullah has been effectively Saudi Arabia's leader for the past 20 years.

I don't know who is going to succeed Abdullah---he outlived two of his crown princes---but this is big news. I'll leave it to EF members more knowledgable about the Middle East (try not to laugh) to discuss more about this.
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Re: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 1924-2015

Man, I love moments like this. It makes me day dream, if by some miraculous change, I was invited to be next of kin. Ahh, King of Saudi Arabia.
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Old 23.01.2015, 04:08
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Re: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 1924-2015

One thing to worry about is that the person who apparently is king right now---King Salman---apparently has dementia and is not right in the head. I'll leave the Ronald Reagan jokes to others, but if this is true, the House of Saud needs to act quickly and name somebody else as regent. Maybe Saudi Arabia doesn't have nuclear weapons, but you don't want somebody mentally incompetent in charge of that country.

The palace denies Salman has dementia and he is the king now. Let's hope they're right...

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One thing to worry about is that the person who apparently is king right now---King Salman---apparently has dementia and is not right in the head. I'll leave the Ronald Reagan jokes to others, but if this is true, the House of Saud needs to act quickly and name somebody else as regent. Maybe Saudi Arabia doesn't have nuclear weapons, but you don't want somebody mentally incompetent in charge of that country.

The palace denies Salman has dementia and he is the king now. Let's hope they're right...
dementia and mentally incompetent sounds like 2 American presidents united in one person
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King Salman -- the king is dead, long live the King

King Salman lead the province of Riyadh from 200'000 to 7 millions within 5 decades, made the KSA army in his time as Defence Minister into a real army, and presided the cabinet for some two years. This means that he is experienced and efficient. Difficult to make forecasts about his further Actions now
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Re: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 1924-2015

Reminds me of a mail I got recently from a nice chap who promised to send money to my account. Must forward him on my bank details
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Re: King Salman -- the king is dead, long live the King

I forgot to mention that the foreign politics of the KSA may Change. Not in regard to the West but in regard to Iran,
Iraq, Egypt, and the Maghreb. I cannot say which way, but feel that changes are to come
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Re: King Salman -- the king is dead, long live the King

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I forgot to mention that the foreign politics of the KSA may Change. Not in regard to the West but in regard to Iran,
Iraq, Egypt, and the Maghreb. I cannot say which way, but feel that changes are to come


TO THE MODS. The title of the thread should be changed to KING SALMAN the new ruler of the KSA
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Re: King Salman -- the king is dead, long live the King

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TO THE MODS. The title of the thread should be changed to KING SALMAN the new ruler of the KSA
I think one thread on the death and succession of the Saudi King is sufficient.
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I think one thread on the death and succession of the Saudi King is sufficient.

it is WRONG


The thread is to be about KING SALMAN
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Re: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 1924-2015

I doubt there will be any policy changes although oil price is up a couple of % this morning.

People are forecasting a big fight over confirming the naming of Salman's successor; fight to be led by Abdullah's son
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I doubt there will be any policy changes although oil price is up a couple of % this morning.

People are forecasting a big fight over confirming the naming of Salman's successor; fight to be led by Abdullah's son
"The late king's half brother Muqrin, who is in his late 60s, has been named the new crown prince, the official statement said."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30945324
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Re: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 1924-2015

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"The late king's half brother Muqrin, who is in his late 60s, has been named the new crown prince, the official statement said."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30945324
Will be interesting to see if it stays that way.

Abdullah selected Mugrin and Abdullah is gone now
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Man, I love moments like this. It makes me day dream, if by some miraculous change, I was invited to be next of kin. Ahh, King of Saudi Arabia.
It makes me daydream that by some divine miracle a more enlightended individual may take his place, or better still, the monarchy replaced by something resembling a constitutional democracy. But I know I'm daydreaming and it won't happen.
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Re: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 1924-2015

I'm waiting for Wolli's new biography of King Abdullah. Here's a possible excerpt:

"We first met at a crowded street side café in Beirut in 1968. MEA had just introduced the Caravelle and the prince was on his way back from studying in Paris ....."

Yawns ...
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I don't know who is going to succeed Abdullah---he outlived two of his crown princes---but this is big news.
But not the biggest news for Swiss Public Radio:
News at 9 am on SRF 3 today
First report: Federer lost in round 3 of the Australian Open. Detailed analysis of each of four sets played.
Second Report: King Abdullah died.
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It makes me daydream that by some divine miracle a more enlightended individual may take his place, or better still, the monarchy replaced by something resembling a constitutional democracy. But I know I'm daydreaming and it won't happen.
the succession is designed to ensure little if anything changes. the next in line is the next eldest son, usually in his (late) 80s.
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the succession is designed to ensure little if anything changes. the next in line is the next eldest son, usually in his (late) 80s.
Thank you MidfieldGeneral, because your post made me discover something new about the succession. The next in line to succeed King Salman is his half-brother Muqrin. Muqrin is, like all the previous kings of Saudi Arabia since the passing of founder King Abdul Aziz a son of Abdul Aziz. (That's what the "bin Abdulaziz" means that you've been seeing on the names of all of these members of the Saudi royal family.) However, Salman also declared whom Muqrin's successor will be, and this time it's someone from the next generation.

After Muqrin, the next in line to the Saudi throne is Salman's nephew Muhammed bin Nayef. His father, Prince Nayef was one of the two crown princes whom King Abdullah outlived. Nayef died in 2012. Muhammed is head of the interior ministry which oversees the police. I assume that is the Saudi equivalent of roughly the UK's Home Office or the US's Department of Justice.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ssion-abdullah

Sounds like the decisions of a shrewd man. I doubt that he is reading this, but if he were, my sincere apologies to His Majesty.

P.S. Wolli, when I posted this news I didn't know who King Abdullah's successor was. Now that we do, and if discussion on this thread focuses more on the new King Salman than the late Abdullah, I would have no objection if the title of this thread were changed.
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The king of Saudi Arabia is dead. He had been king since 2005, but since he became regent in 1995 upon his half-brother's stroke Abdullah has been effectively Saudi Arabia's leader for the past 20 years.
It's such a shame he died of pneumonia and wasn't stoned to death.

Good riddance.

At least some good news today.
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I doubt there will be any policy changes although oil price is up a couple of % this morning.

People are forecasting a big fight over confirming the naming of Salman's successor; fight to be led by Abdullah's son

Not really big changes, but details
- while Abdullah was the Chief of the National Guard, Salman was Defence Minister
- while Abdullah was rather a Diplomat, Salman for decades governed the province of Riyadh
- Abdullah compromised with Iran and kept out of Yemeni affairs. How Salman will proceed remains to be seen
- Abdullah was very tolerant with the Shi'ites in Iraq, whether Salman also will be remains to be seen
- Abdullah was polite but not much more towards Marshal as-Sisi in Egypt, the relations may become better now


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Thank you MidfieldGeneral, because your post made me discover something new about the succession. The next in line to succeed King Salman is his half-brother Muqrin. Muqrin is, like all the previous kings of Saudi Arabia since the passing of founder King Abdul Aziz a son of Abdul Aziz. (That's what the "bin Abdulaziz" means that you've been seeing on the names of all of these members of the Saudi royal family.) However, Salman also declared whom Muqrin's successor will be, and this time it's someone from the next generation.

After Muqrin, the next in line to the Saudi throne is Salman's nephew Muhammed bin Nayef. His father, Prince Nayef was one of the two crown princes whom King Abdullah outlived. Nayef died in 2012. Muhammed is head of the interior ministry which oversees the police. I assume that is the Saudi equivalent of roughly the UK's Home Office or the US's Department of Justice.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ssion-abdullah

Sounds like the decisions of a shrewd man. I doubt that he is reading this, but if he were, my sincere apologies to His Majesty.

P.S. Wolli, when I posted this news I didn't know who King Abdullah's successor was. Now that we do, and if discussion on this thread focuses more on the new King Salman than the late Abdullah, I would have no objection if the title of this thread were changed.

oh sorry, Emir Salman became crown prince and deputy king after the death of Defence Minister Emir Sultan and so I thought this was clear to everybody


Abdullah even went as far as nominating the deputy to the Crown Prince.
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