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the CIA was buying up Iraqi chemical weapons

The C.I.A. is said to have bought and destroyed at least 400 Iraqi nerve-agent weapons in Borak rockets,

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/wo...pons.html?_r=0
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Re: the CIA was buying up Iraqi chemical weapons

An unlikely tale. Surely the US would have used such 'information' at an earlier stage, parading it around to anyone with the patience to listen, in order to attempt to refute the allegation that the war, based on Saddam Hussein's alleged possession of such weapons, was fought on false pretenses.
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Old 17.02.2015, 16:23
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An unlikely tale. Surely the US would have used such 'information' at an earlier stage, parading it around to anyone with the patience to listen, in order to attempt to refute the allegation that the war, based on Saddam Hussein's alleged possession of such weapons, was fought on false pretenses.
I do not remember the US being interested in trying to refute the allegation that the war, based on Saddam Hussein's alleged possession of such weapons, was fought on false pretences.
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An unlikely tale. Surely the US would have used such 'information' at an earlier stage, parading it around to anyone with the patience to listen, in order to attempt to refute the allegation that the war, based on Saddam Hussein's alleged possession of such weapons, was fought on false pretenses.
That is why I started this thread! The US newspaper gives names and dates, so for me it is believable.

It reports that there were chemical weapons in Iraq, and that some US forces were injured by them. It was all made secret, for obvious reasons, any armed forces never want to upset their political masters; they have a nasty track record of causing immense suffering!
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Re: the CIA was buying up Iraqi chemical weapons

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The purchases were made from a sole Iraqi source who was eager to sell his stock, officials said.
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The Iraqi seller would then periodically notify the C.I.A. in Baghdad that he had more for sale, officials said.
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At least once he scammed his handlers, selling rockets filled with something other than sarin.
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Many rockets were in poor condition and some were empty or held a nonlethal liquid, the officials said.
It's kind of a non-story. It was ONE Iraqi guy who happened to know where there was some chemical weapons stashed, and he made a ton of $$ selling them to the CIA. It wasn't the massive caches that the US gov't beleived existed and gave as their justification to invade, which could be partly what they didn't "parade" this info around, ie: finding a few old, rotten missiles, some that weren't even filled, is kind of anti-climactic.
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Re: the CIA was buying up Iraqi chemical weapons

the US got away with it. why would the try to justify it now that it is all done and dusted?
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the US got away with it.
No they didn't. It's pretty clear to all but a few die-hard supporters that Bush/Cheney just wanted to go in and "finish up" the Iraq issue, and the "WMD's" was the trumped-up excuse.
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The C.I.A. is said to have bought and destroyed at least 400 Iraqi nerve-agent weapons in Borak rockets,

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/wo...pons.html?_r=0
Did they also produce it?
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Old 17.02.2015, 18:28
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Did they also produce it?
US in USA yes, CIA in Iraq no, Saddam in Iraq yes.

I hope there are no further secret undiscovered chemical rocket dumps, we don't want IS(IS) to use the rockets do we!

It states in the article that Iraq used poisoned gas against the Iranians, and we know Iraq used it against the Kurds in north Iraq. What nobody knows is how much gas Iraq made, how much they destroyed, and how much remains undiscovered. If one Iraqi can find some old rockets, why can't other Iraqis still alive know where to dig them up? For me it is a worrying story.
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No they didn't. It's pretty clear to all but a few die-hard supporters that Bush/Cheney just wanted to go in and "finish up" the Iraq issue, and the "WMD's" was the trumped-up excuse.
But they did get away with it, didn't they? And Dubya, Cheney & Co. are still proud of it.
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No they didn't. It's pretty clear to all but a few die-hard supporters that Bush/Cheney just wanted to go in and "finish up" the Iraq issue, and the "WMD's" was the trumped-up excuse.
They didn't? Who got charged, let alone sentenced?
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US in USA yes, CIA in Iraq no, Saddam in Iraq yes.

I hope there are no further secret undiscovered chemical rocket dumps, we don't want IS(IS) to use the rockets do we!

It states in the article that Iraq used poisoned gas against the Iranians, and we know Iraq used it against the Kurds in north Iraq. What nobody knows is how much gas Iraq made, how much they destroyed, and how much remains undiscovered. If one Iraqi can find some old rockets, why can't other Iraqis still alive know where to dig them up? For me it is a worrying story.
About "we don't want IS(IS) to use the rockets do we! " There is more complexity to chemical weapons than "light the touch paper and retire" so I hope ISIS do try to use them
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Re: the CIA was buying up Iraqi chemical weapons

Well someone used something in Syria, remember?
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someone --- something --- somewhere
this is the Picture. Obvious is that many military forces have substantial reserves of chemical weapons, but of course not much reliable info is available for the public


And it is often better that way. It is the same as with all the Highways bridges and railways bridges being ready to be blown up within a quarter hour
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Old 18.02.2015, 08:50
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It is the same as with all the Highways bridges and railways bridges being ready to be blown up within a quarter hour
Isn't that supposed to be a secret, with only the Swiss and the Russians knowing about it?
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Old 18.02.2015, 09:03
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Isn't that supposed to be a secret, with only the Swiss and the Russians knowing about it?
Yes you had to buy the CD to get the info
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Old 18.02.2015, 09:21
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Re: the CIA was buying up Iraqi chemical weapons

You'd have thought that Bush Sr and Blair would have used this information to patch up their non-existent reasoning for invading Iraq a second time if this story rang true.

I'm waiting for Ed Snowden to post his views on this before commenting any further.
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Isn't that supposed to be a secret, with only the Swiss and the Russians knowing about it?


In Switzerland, it is publicly known, but all soldiers in those Units have to deliver an oath not to Chat too much. ¨You are allowed to talk about the General Facts but not about exact locations
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