More girls running off to join ISIS - Page 11

#**201** 15.02.2019, 16:32

	Quote:	Pashosh
	1. As you said - most Islamist terrorists are of Pakistani origin (Bangladeshis less so). It's a problem caused by immigration from Pakistan. 1. You don't give a shit about fellow UK writer (Rushdie actually wrote some very decent novels) who has to live in hiding, mostly because some UK Pakistanis & converts to Islam would follow a Fatwa by a Shia. 2. You give a shit about the rights of Ms. Begum. So do I - I posted several legal scenarios to deal with her. 3. If memory serves: you were afraid to post Islamist critical material for fear of Islamist violence. so much for "pussyfooting" (watch out - probably this term will become politically incorrect soon) 4. Treason - helping enemies of the state is treason.

I'm not even going to bother responding to these point by point. Point three, however, is risible. I don't post "Islamist critical material" (whatever that even means) because I'm afraid of Islamist violence? WTAF are you blethering on about?

You really are full of shit, pashosh. Why don't you sort your own f-ed up country out first before telling Brits what to do with our fellow citizens, eh?

#**202** 15.02.2019, 16:35

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Such as? Tom

Cuba, Israel, Republic of Ireland, Vietnam, Greece, Turkey, to name just a few... I don't think any of them were founded by lovely chaps wielding flowers and incense.

Treverus · #**203** 15.02.2019, 16:38

	Quote:
	Cuba, Israel, Republic of Ireland, Vietnam, Greece, Turkey, to name just a few... I don't think any of them were founded by lovely chaps wielding flowers and incense.

You forgot the USA... separatist terrorists. The whole lot.

porsch1909 · #**204** 15.02.2019, 16:40

	Quote:	Treverus
	You forgot the USA... separatist terrorists. The whole lot.

He said nice places to visit

MusicChick · #**205** 15.02.2019, 16:44

It is great to visit.

amogles · #**206** 15.02.2019, 16:46

	Quote:
	Cuba, Israel, Republic of Ireland, Vietnam, Greece, Turkey, to name just a few... I don't think any of them were founded by lovely chaps wielding flowers and incense.

Switzerland, The Netherlands, almost everything in North and South America.

NotAllThere · #**207** 15.02.2019, 16:55

	Quote:	Pashosh
	An immigrant must be loyal to his/her new country. Ms. Aqsa obviously isn't.

You said nothing about her immigration status, you went straight for the name. Racist (or xenophobic for the pedants) in two ways.

1. You apparently believe that anyone with a Muslim name isn't really Scottish.
2. You apparently believe that all real Scottish people have a traditional Scottish name.

They're not all Rob Roy, ye ken?

Do you think that MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh of the SNP is also an immigrant?

VenusC · #**208** 15.02.2019, 17:14

	Quote:
	Had ISIS actually succeeded in their aims and eventually established an Islamic Caliphate, it wouldn't have been long before they'd have been considered a perfectly reasonable state with whom to do business, maybe go and visit. I can name a fair few nations which began with terrorism and bloodshed and are now considered quite nice places to visit. We all have short memories when it suits.

Then I give up... Then this would mean we condone atrocities caused by the so called IS and will simply wait til such time when we all could go dune bashing and trade artisan goods with the murderers....
Generally, that would mean we haven't learnt from the past...

Treverus · #**209** 15.02.2019, 17:15

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Do you think that MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh of the SNP is also an immigrant?

She isnt, but what if she was? Is "immigrant" a bad thing (especially considering that this discussion is on an expat forum…)? And can we define what "loyal to his new country" means? Because a whole lot of you doesnt speak any Swiss German even after years of living in Zurich...

#**210** 15.02.2019, 17:18

	Quote:	VenusC
	Then I give up... Then this would mean we condone atrocities caused by the so called IS and will simply wait til such time when we all could go dune bashing and trade artisan goods with the murderers.... Generally, that would mean we haven't learnt from the past...

What made you think that anyone has ever learnt from the past?

NotAllThere · #**211** 15.02.2019, 18:05

	Quote:	VenusC
	Then I give up... Then this would mean we condone atrocities caused by the so called IS and will simply wait til such time when we all could go dune bashing and trade artisan goods with the murderers.... Generally, that would mean we haven't learnt from the past...

History repeats itself.
Has to.
No-one listens.

(Steve Turner).

amogles · #**212** 15.02.2019, 18:08

	Quote:	VenusC
	Then I give up... Then this would mean we condone atrocities caused by the so called IS and will simply wait til such time when we all could go dune bashing and trade artisan goods with the murderers.... Generally, that would mean we haven't learnt from the past...

We also trade with countries like China despite their human rights record.

#**213** 15.02.2019, 18:11

	Quote:	amogles
	We also trade with countries like China despite their human rights record.

Principles are nice but don't fill the stomach.

omtatsat · #**214** 15.02.2019, 18:15

	Quote:	me.anon
	Once again, we are confronted with tales of silly young girls, abandoning family, friends and all the good things a life in the West has to offer for an uncertain fate in the middle east somewhere to join an unruly bunch of men. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10059763.html How could this be ? they are sacrificing so much. Their iPhone will not work out there, they'll have no TV to watch their favorite shows, no nail technicians to fiddle about with their nails and no shopping malls where they can try on dozens of different pairs shoes, etc. ? It would seem that, somehow, civilised life has failed them. I imagine, that at that age, they start having romantic notions about marriage, starting a family etc. and this makes the whole thing even more difficult to comprehend. Out there, their choices will be limited to a few rough types, that is if they are given a choice at all. And they have no guarantee of any good treatment. Contrast that with the situation in the West with many clean cut young men, fulfilling the ideal of perfect husband. Does it not defy understanding that they would reject the obvious choices that the West has to offer, and go looking in some far off land ? . . .

Your posted photos have no relevance. Pretty dumb arse post

#**215** 15.02.2019, 18:20

	Quote:	omtatsat
	Your posted photos have no relevance. Pretty dumb arse post

This is a thread revival because there have been updates to the story.

Dumb arse.

st2lemans · #**216** 15.02.2019, 19:12

	Quote:
	Cuba, Israel, Republic of Ireland, Vietnam, Greece, Turkey, to name just a few... I don't think any of them were founded by lovely chaps wielding flowers and incense.

Yes, but you said nice places to visit.

Tom

greenmount · #**217** 15.02.2019, 20:04

	Quote:	Treverus
	She isnt, but what if she was? Is "immigrant" a bad thing (especially considering that this discussion is on an expat forum…)?

According to EF, yes, it is a bad thing. But only because most people don't associate themselves with this word (they're something else)..Right, should be on a separated thread.

Those girls were no immigrants.

amogles · #**218** 15.02.2019, 20:06

	Quote:	greenmount
	According to EF, yes, it is a bad thing. But only because most people don't associate themselves with this word (they're something else)..Right, should be on a separated thread. Those girls were no immigrants.

I think that if you've been living in a country for three generations, that the word immigrant doesn't really cut it any more.

greenmount · #**219** 15.02.2019, 20:10

	Quote:	amogles
	I think that if you've been living in a country for three generations, that the word immigrant doesn't really cut it any more.

I totally agree on this one. I strictly replied to Trev's generic question.

marton · #**220** 15.02.2019, 20:22

	Quote:	amogles
	I think that if you've been living in a country for three generations, that the word immigrant doesn't really cut it any more.

Trump and Boris Johnson would certainly agree with this.