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Her UK citizenship has been revoked. Result.

Now for the rest of the returning ISIS scum. The UK should offer to take all returning European fighters as a parting gift to the EU. And then ship them all over to see out the rest of their days with the nonces on the Pitcairn Islands.

I'd be lying if I said that I'm gutted to read that, but I do wonder how politically motivated this is.

Not for the first time in this thread, it reminds me a bit of the way the Jamie Bulger murderers were given "special" treatment because of/despite their age.
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

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I'd be lying if I said that I'm gutted to read that, but I do wonder how politically motivated this is.

Not for the first time in this thread, it reminds me a bit of the way the Jamie Bulger murderers were given "special" treatment because of/despite their age.
It normally gets overturned on appeal a couple of years later. Word on the street is she is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, which to be fair is a mark up on Bethnal Green, isn’t that where she’s from ?
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It normally gets overturned on appeal a couple of years later. Word on the street is she is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, which to be fair is a mark up on Bethnal Green, isn’t that where she’s from ?
She can move from three centuries behind Europe to only one century behind if she heads home.

She’ll not get back in, way too high a risk and political hot potato.

I bet she wishes she was a bit quicker off the mark and headed back on her own, rather than the sob story.
Looks like the Times have done us a favour.

And what a win for the Tories/Sajid.
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It normally gets overturned on appeal a couple of years later. Word on the street is she is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, which to be fair is a mark up on Bethnal Green, isn’t that where she’s from ?
My understanding is that she's already a dual citizen, otherwise the stripping of her British citizenship would be impossible.

All I know of Bangladesh is what a little boy once said to a teaching assistant in our school: "I miss Bangladesh. Bangladesh is a land of butterflies. England is a land of concrete."

So at least she'll have butterflies to look forward to!
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Old 19.02.2019, 23:06
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My understanding is that she's already a dual citizen, otherwise the stripping of her British citizenship would be impossible.

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I am starting to lose the plot
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So at least she'll have butterflies to look forward to!
And sh1tting in the street.
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My understanding is that she's already a dual citizen, otherwise the stripping of her British citizenship would be impossible.

All I know of Bangladesh is what a little boy once said to a teaching assistant in our school: "I miss Bangladesh. Bangladesh is a land of butterflies. England is a land of concrete."

So at least she'll have butterflies to look forward to!
At the risk of sounding maudlin'... that poor baby of hers. Talk about victim of circumstance. Holding my baby tighter at the thought.
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I'd be lying if I said that I'm gutted to read that, but I do wonder how politically motivated this is.

Not for the first time in this thread, it reminds me a bit of the way the Jamie Bulger murderers were given "special" treatment because of/despite their age.
I've no doubt it's a politically motivated decision, and a purely cynical one too. It doesn't however stop it being the correct one. She can appeal, in the very least if she want's to go back to the UK she should have to work for it. A few years of appeals followed by a trial if successful sounds like a win-win to me.
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

While the girl might be denied reentry, the RAF bombs dropped in Midle East might have "radicalized" quite a few Brits.
Whose "Brutishness", as copiously demonstrates by many posters in this thread, is easily quesrioned, in good Trumpian spirit.
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I am starting to lose the plot
It's almost like, uh, I dunno, like I got more information in between posts.

Radical!
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Old 19.02.2019, 23:49
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She can move from three centuries behind Europe to only one century behind if she heads home.

She’ll not get back in, way too high a risk and political hot potato.

I bet she wishes she was a bit quicker off the mark and headed back on her own, rather than the sob story.
Looks like the Times have done us a favour.

And what a win for the Tories/Sajid.
Depends where she is.
The Kurds who detained ISIS-people and/or their family don't just let them go "home". There is a German case - also one with kids - where the parents travelled to Syria, thinking they could just take their daughter home. But The Kurdish will only hand her over to German governement (and in my opinion that is correct). Apparently the German governement is also not keen on getting active about such cases.
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Old 20.02.2019, 01:24
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is it just me, or does the girl they are interviewing look nothing like the girl who left the uk? are they sure that even the same person?
It's not just you. I've been thinking the same. Her entire jaw shape appears different.

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How to make a gal 'homesick' No.1. I miss standing in the back garden getting wafts from the Bangladeshi takeaway round the corner. Aromatic bliss!
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Old 20.02.2019, 09:38
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Her UK citizenship has been revoked. Result.

Now for the rest of the returning ISIS scum. The UK should offer to take all returning European fighters as a parting gift to the EU. And then ship them all over to see out the rest of their days with the nonces on the Pitcairn Islands.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47301623

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Old 20.02.2019, 11:06
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

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I'd be lying if I said that I'm gutted to read that, but I do wonder how politically motivated this is.

Not for the first time in this thread, it reminds me a bit of the way the Jamie Bulger murderers were given "special" treatment because of/despite their age.

I'm surprised to learn that the Home Office can unilaterally strip anybody of citizenship. You would have thought that with something so important there would at least be a hearing at which she can defend herself.


Much as I understand the anger directed at her, and the wish to punish her, I remain sceptical that the stripping of citizenship is the proper way to go about this. It's absconding responsibility. She grew up in the Uk. She was educated in the Uk. She was radicalized in the UK. But now it is the problem of Bangladesh to pick up the pieces and deal with her.


So is Bangladesh a new penal colony or something?
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Old 20.02.2019, 11:39
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You're talking about my compatriots here. Many of them are utter shits, but they're still British, and they still have rights.
No longer compatriots - How quickly these deep bonds break.

Maybe her appeal will be successful and she will be your compatriot again.
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I'm surprised to learn that the Home Office can unilaterally strip anybody of citizenship. You would have thought that with something so important there would at least be a hearing at which she can defend herself.


Much as I understand the anger directed at her, and the wish to punish her, I remain sceptical that the stripping of citizenship is the proper way to go about this. It's absconding responsibility. She grew up in the Uk. She was educated in the Uk. She was radicalized in the UK. But now it is the problem of Bangladesh to pick up the pieces and deal with her.


So is Bangladesh a new penal colony or something?
Seems a bit "knee-jerk" but then again, the stuff I've read online this past week or so makes your hair curl, all fanned by the omnipresent tabloids. (Sarah Vine labelling her a "snowflake terrorist" in this morning's MailOnline - wtf?)

People talking about "lynch mobs" even for the baby so maybe she's best staying away whatever.

"Lynch mobs"? Jesus.
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I'd be lying if I said that I'm gutted to read that, but I do wonder how politically motivated this is.
I see it as virtue signalling by Sajid Javid with one eye on his leadership prospects This will probably be overturned by the courts but headlines have already been made and his tough Muslim Home Secretary image burnished.
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

Interesting thoughts from Sean Jones QC...

"We all have our parts to play in the #
Begum political drama. Mr Javid wants to score points with populists. He knows he will get positive press in the tabloids. He knows it will go to court.
Those who think human rights are important will speak up and be denounced as out of touch members of the liberal elite putting us all at risk. The persistent inability of many, including the press, to distinguish the EU/ECHR will help with some bonus anti-European sentiment.

If the courts overturn the decision, he will be able to suggest that the (whisper it) enemies of the people on the bench are stopping him from doing what the people want. All the more reason then to reform (ie throttle) judicial review.

I’m not sure how one prevents all this playing out as planned. I’d love it if a defence of human rights was a popular thing to do, but the point of human rights is to do the right thing by those we are inclined to hate.

We need people to insist on the rule of law when we are most convinced that rights-stripping and corner-cutting is justified. "
https://twitter.com/seanjonesqc/status/1098141738231836672
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I see it as virtue signalling by Sajid Javid with one eye on his leadership prospects This will probably be overturned by the courts but headlines have already been made and his tough Muslim Home Secretary image burnished.
Yeah, nothing says "I am a tough leader" more than bending laws to punish a teenage girl…
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Old 20.02.2019, 12:28
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Much as I understand the anger directed at her, and the wish to punish her, I remain sceptical that the stripping of citizenship is the proper way to go about this. It's absconding responsibility. She grew up in the Uk. She was educated in the Uk. She was radicalized in the UK. But now it is the problem of Bangladesh to pick up the pieces and deal with her.

So is Bangladesh a new penal colony or something?
According to the first BBC article Tom linked she denied having Bangladeshi citizenship.

How do you prove nationality without the cooperation of either the accused or the country citizenship is assumed of? What if that 2nd country delays cooperation in order to revoke said 2nd country's citizenship? This looks like the equivalent of a game of musical chairs with the last country holding the bag.

What if she does have Bangladeshi citizenship now, but appeals the UK's decision and has her Bangladeshi citizenship revoked before a final verdict is reached?

I get the reasoning behind de-naturalisation, perhaps even if it meant not having any citizenship provided that was caused by the culprit's actions. Revoking citizenship you had from birth however is wrong regardless of how many passports you have, that's just kicking the can into the neighbor's garden.
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