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Old 22.02.2019, 14:32
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Logic seems to confuse you. The prime example is Ms. Begum, of whom we have been talking for a while.

Do try to keep up.
The last page or so has mentioned Guantanamo multiple times, and that was what I was responding to. Seems I am "keeping up".

I've no idea what your position is on anything discussed on this thread, you just seem to be randomly asking people for examples.
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Old 22.02.2019, 14:34
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

Lord Haw Haw was also totally innocent! he visited germany to help at a local hospital radio and became a victim of circumstance.

jesus, come off it people, no one traveled to the back of beyond, into a war zone, to learn more about islam and help the locals, you really are taking your liberal agenda way too far arguing anything like that!!!
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Old 22.02.2019, 14:37
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

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The last page or so has mentioned Guantanamo multiple times, and that was what I was responding to. Seems I am "keeping up".

I've no idea what your position is on anything discussed on this thread, you just seem to be randomly asking people for examples.
My position is that ISIS returnees should face as much difficulties returning to the west as the law allows.
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Old 22.02.2019, 14:39
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My position is that ISIS returnees should face as much difficulties returning to the west as the law allows.
its a shame a lot of them posted videos of burning their passports, doh!!
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Old 22.02.2019, 14:43
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My position is that ISIS returnees should face as much difficulties returning to the west as the law allows.
Yes but the law also has to be "legally" sure that there is a case against those people. We've seen the dangers of leaving it dangling under the wishy washy "As far as I know..." heading. It's akin to saying "she's an old lady living with a cat so she's undoubtedly a witch" and "He's a brown muslim who was in the approximately right place at the right time so he MUST have been helping ISIS."

It's just to prevent another facepalmery of the scandal of Guantanamo a decade down the line.
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Old 22.02.2019, 14:45
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My position is that ISIS returnees should face as much difficulties returning to the west as the law allows.
Cool - can I have a position on the way Israelis drive bulldozers?
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:01
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Yes but the law also has to be "legally" sure that there is a case against those people. .
Things we know:

1. Left the UK to join ISIS - check.
2. No remorse for many years - check.

Lucky for her the west bothers with following the law.

Maybe the UK could strike a deal with China: They could have her, and the UK will take Fallun gong members. "Judicial outsourcing" tm
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:02
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:10
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Cool - can I have a position on the way Israelis drive bulldozers?
And your post isn't racist because ?
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:10
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

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While I agree with you is the good news that we dont have to assume. The two things ISIS was good at besides beheading people was a ridiculous bureaucracy as well as rampant corruption. So all foreigners who crossed the border into their land were questioned and had to fill out loads of forms on where they are from, name, date of birth, nationality, experience in jihad and so on... and then some dudes sold that data to the west.

In short: it really is quite clear who is a terrorist this time round. the only thing open to discussion is whether the UK government really had to pick an underage girl as the example. She was groomed, brainwashed and clearly legally not in the position to decide on her own to move to IS. Legally could she not even make a purchase contract for a new burqua without her parents...
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:13
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While I agree with you is the good news that we dont have to assume. The two things ISIS was good at besides beheading people was a ridiculous bureaucracy as well as rampant corruption. So all foreigners who crossed the border into their land were questioned and had to fill out loads of forms on where they are from, name, date of birth, nationality, experience in jihad and so on... and then some dudes sold that data to the west.

In short: it really is quite clear who is a terrorist this time round. the only thing open to discussion is whether the UK government really had to pick an underage girl as the example. She was groomed, brainwashed and clearly legally not in the position to decide on her own to move to IS. Legally could she not even make a purchase contract for a new burqua without her parents...
In the madness of it all, you have to smile that they had an ISIS application form.


EDIT: No, Pashosh, I don't have an example of one.
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:17
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And your post isn't racist because ?
Because Israelis aren't a race but a group of people with a shared make-believe god?
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:17
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While I agree with you is the good news that we dont have to assume. The two things ISIS was good at besides beheading people was a ridiculous bureaucracy as well as rampant corruption. So all foreigners who crossed the border into their land were questioned and had to fill out loads of forms on where they are from, name, date of birth, nationality, experience in jihad and so on... and then some dudes sold that data to the west.

In short: it really is quite clear who is a terrorist this time round. the only thing open to discussion is whether the UK government really had to pick an underage girl as the example. She was groomed, brainwashed and clearly legally not in the position to decide on her own to move to IS. Legally could she not even make a purchase contract for a new burqua without her parents...
she's a particularly easy target, she doesn't have a passport so can't get back without government help, shes not very bright - giving interviews and saying totally the wrong thing, she seems unrepentant, it suits the government to make her a poster girl for what happens if you do this kind of thing, and most of all (by a long way) it replaced brexit from the headlines.
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:22
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Because Israelis aren't a race but a group of people with a shared make-believe god?
Israelis have nothing to do with this thread, except your racist obsession with Jews. An obsession shared by Islamo-fascists, hence my wish to see as few of them in Europe as possible.

btw - not all Israelis have the same god, but thanks for being honest about your racism.
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:24
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Lord Haw Haw was also totally innocent! he visited germany to help at a local hospital radio and became a victim of circumstance.

jesus, come off it people, no one traveled to the back of beyond, into a war zone, to learn more about islam and help the locals, you really are taking your liberal agenda way too far arguing anything like that!!!
Are you referring to the example on the last page page of Marut Kurnaz who traveled to Pakistan? Are you saying that anyone that travels to Pakistan from Europe is going to there to train to be a terrorist?
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:28
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Are you referring to the example on the last page page of Marut Kurnaz who traveled to Pakistan? Are you saying that anyone that travels to Pakistan from Europe is going to there to train to be a terrorist?
My ex-boss travelled to Pakistan about 3 years ago.
Now there would have been a solution .....
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:34
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Israelis have nothing to do with this thread, except your racist obsession with Jews. An obsession shared by Islamo-fascists, hence my wish to see as few of them in Europe as possible.

btw - not all Israelis have the same god, but thanks for being honest about your racism.
You may think I am racist (I'm not) but you are definitely rabidly anti-Muslim and I'm not convinced this forum is really the right place to air your views.
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:41
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You may think I am racist (I'm not) but you are definitely rabidly anti-Muslim and I'm not convinced this forum is really the right place to air your views.
Radical Islam is a problem. I'm anti radical islam, not anti Muslims.

Your posts are clearly antisemitic. This forum is quite forgiving to these views.
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:43
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Radical Islam is a problem. I'm anti radical islam, not anti Muslims.

Your posts are clearly antisemitic. This forum is quite forgiving to these views.
hmmm radical anything is a problem, including governments, prime ministers etc
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Old 22.02.2019, 15:50
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hmmm radical anything is a problem, including governments, prime ministers etc
don't forget free radicals - they are everywhere.
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