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Old 24.02.2015, 12:43
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

soooo many questions

like how the hell did 3 underage girls manage to buy plane tickets?? how did the airline not realise they where traveling alone?? where did they get the money / debit / credit card from to buy the tickets (does anyone accept cash to buy tickets now??)

these apparent "a-grade" students have decided to go to a figgin war zone and join a group who are well known for beheadings, rape, tourture, there hate of the west (and looking at those pics of how the girls are dressed they are going to be in for a rough time), seriously?? parents had no idea, school had no idea?? (after another pupil had already done it)

I don't buy this story
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Old 24.02.2015, 14:03
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

Let them go.

Fine them a high amount when they are back, make sure they don't have access to the web & put electronic shackles to keep them away from trouble.

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Old 24.02.2015, 14:07
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

Is there any difference to the volunteers from across Europe and the US going to fight in the Spanish Civil War?

Today, at least in the leftist telling of history, these people are heroes. Viva la Quinta Brigada and all that guns and bonfire romance.
In reality, many of them were unpolitical but went for the thrill of being a guerilla and murdering innocents.

Only recently, Switzerland rehabilitated its volunteers. Does this not create double standards with respect to the young guys and gals of today who are being criticised for doing the same thing?
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Old 24.02.2015, 14:13
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

I imagine that as it was half term week the airline presumed 3 girls off to Turkey together - maybe to visit family?

Can't you travel alone without an adult at 14?

For supposedly straight A students - not much common sense and I can only imagine what their parents are going through - can't see a happy end to this..
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Is there any difference to the volunteers from across Europe and the US going to fight in the Spanish Civil War?

Today, at least in the leftist telling of history, these people are heroes. Viva la Quinta Brigada and all that guns and bonfire romance.
In reality, many of them were unpolitical but went for the thrill of being a guerilla and murdering innocents.

Only recently, Switzerland rehabilitated its volunteers. Does this not create double standards with respect to the young guys and gals of today who are being criticised for doing the same thing?
No, it's not the same imo. Times have changed, society has changed, and we have advanced levels of media to give us a reasonable idea of what the situation is like. We know beyond doubt that ISIS are evil buggers driven by religious fundamentalism who think nothing of massacre and genocide. Romance is generally driven by what you cannot see, and we have seen propaganda videos of beheadings and burnings, and many eye-witness testimonies to the indiscriminate killings of their own people.

We know that the girls, sorry minors (ie: children) who volunteer will inevitably be abused and raped.

There is everything to criticise about it, because there is simply no good or honourable side to anything ISIS are doing.
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Old 24.02.2015, 14:21
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Do we really care ?

Good bye, enjoy yourselves, have fun, post photos on twitter of your new outfits, if you can get a phone signal ..

Keep an eye on the sky, the drones will see you soon.

We must care.

If we accept that our society can't care for our children, then many more will see this as a viable alternative and follow suit.

We need to consider what is making them think that this way of life may be a better one and address those issues
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Old 24.02.2015, 14:23
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I imagine that as it was half term week the airline presumed 3 girls off to Turkey together - maybe to visit family?

Can't you travel alone without an adult at 14?

For supposedly straight A students - not much common sense and I can only imagine what their parents are going through - can't see a happy end to this..

not sure tbh, when my nephews flew out unaccompanied they had to have letters, contact details etc and a chaperone from the airline, iirc the airline did also double check, but this was almost 10 years ago

eta looks like rules have changed, a 16 yr old is classed as an adult and can vouch for children ffs
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Old 24.02.2015, 15:38
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No, it's not the same imo. Times have changed, society has changed, and we have advanced levels of media to give us a reasonable idea of what the situation is like. We know beyond doubt that ISIS are evil buggers driven by religious fundamentalism who think nothing of massacre and genocide. Romance is generally driven by what you cannot see, and we have seen propaganda videos of beheadings and burnings, and many eye-witness testimonies to the indiscriminate killings of their own people.

We know that the girls, sorry minors (ie: children) who volunteer will inevitably be abused and raped.

There is everything to criticise about it, because there is simply no good or honourable side to anything ISIS are doing.
There is nothing new about minors running off to war. Even Horatio Nelson did it. Some kids are attracted by the attraction of war and I don't see that changing as long as the warlords are ready to sign them up.

War is always a messy affair and many victims are innocents. The war between gentlemen is an illusion, and people don't play by the Marquess of Queensbury's rulebook. You don't need a TV or a Billag licence to understand that people don't go to war to sing Kumbaya. Anybody who is honest with themself knows that, and this hasn't changed since the beginning of warfare.

Am I the only one to think its somewhat sexist to say that for young lads to go to war is somehow OK, but the lassies should stay at home and bake chappaties with their mothers?
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Old 24.02.2015, 15:43
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

I doubt for one second that these girls ever thought they would be on the front line shooting off machine guns, lets face it a western 15 yr old girl is going to be bugger all use for anything in a war, except entertaining the troops.
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There is nothing new about minors running off to war. Even Horatio Nelson did it. Some kids are attracted by the attraction of war and I don't see that changing as long as the warlords are ready to sign them up.

War is always a messy affair and many victims are innocents. The war between gentlemen is an illusion, and people don't play by the Marquess of Queensbury's rulebook. You don't need a TV or a Billag licence to understand that people don't go to war to sing Kumbaya. Anybody who is honest with themself knows that, and this hasn't changed since the beginning of warfare.

Am I the only one to think its somewhat sexist to say that for young lads to go to war is somehow OK, but the lassies should stay at home and bake chappaties with their mothers?
Firstly, I think you must be misinterpreting my post if you think that I in any way think war is clean or conventional. My point was that ISIS are fighting on behalf of some of the worst ideals in history (they literally want to put people back in the dark ages, to devolve society) and have almost zero capacity to create anything meaningful with the land they take. Even regular Muslims largely want nothing to do with them. They are chaos incarnate.

These girls are running away to ISIS because they are being told by friends and by ISIS collaborators on social media that they can have a life of excitement and glamour, treated like princesses, if they run away to ISIS to join the men there. ISIS do not allow female fighters, so it's obvious that the girls don't think they are running off to shoot people. They are vulnerable minors who are about to be subjected to horrible abuse if they make it to their intended destinations.

No-one wants boys or girls to go and join ISIS, but the fact is that girls will get by far the rougher end of the stick in terms of abuse, because, wait for it, yep you guessed it... ISIS are fundamentally sexist to the extreme and see women as lower life forms. So yeah, your sexism comment was just, well, a bit stupid really.

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Old 24.02.2015, 16:31
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

Though, I think ISIS are media savvy enough to show them being treated as princesses before, "Oh dear. They were killed by a drone/Jordanian pilot/whoever is flavour of the day. We're outraged.".
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Old 26.02.2015, 14:11
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31577801 married young, then kept at home...[ that will learn 'em! ]

Police are trying to trace Kadiza Sultana, 16, and Shamima Begum and Amira Abase, both 15, who flew to Istanbul from Gatwick airport on Tuesday. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31577121
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War is always a messy affair and many victims are innocents. The war between gentlemen is an illusion, and people don't play by the Marquess of Queensbury's rulebook. You don't need a TV or a Billag licence to understand that people don't go to war to sing Kumbaya.
Especially if they are muslim...
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Old 26.02.2015, 16:16
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

No sympathy, hope the door hit them on the ass on the way out.
What bugs me is the question, apart from these yuppie west jihaddies having no combat value whatsoever, is, what makes moslem kids from western countries so eager to go jihad? Most foreign, and I use the word with a dose of sarcasm, "combatants" come from Belgium, France, UK and pretty much in this order and not from Moslem mainstream countries like those with the "stan" suffix or Malaysia, or Indonesia or Sudan. Not even the Yemenis seem to want to join the fun and they are always good for a scrap.
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...our society..
maybe these girls and their families have a different view of who is included within "our"?

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Though, I think ISIS are media savvy enough to show them being treated as princesses before, "Oh dear. They were killed by a drone/Jordanian pilot/whoever is flavour of the day. We're outraged.".
exactly spot on. thanks
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Re: More girls running off to join ISIS

As a Muslim woman I feel it is ideological. They are looking for a common identity, goal and are willing to die for that. There is a lot of conflict if you are born and raised in west. The values which are taught to us in our households are much different than what we see outside and it sort of creates a vacuum. Some of the women leaving are quite intelligent and were getting straight A's. They look at 'superficial' culture and apparently want to reject it for sharia and more 'Muslim' way of living.
Also, there is a general feeling of injustice for Muslims e.g. in Palestine, invasion of Iraq etc. In Asian community people tend to mingle with each other generally and love to talk about politics and what is happening to Muslims in other regions etc. This creates a sympathy for a cause.
I believe Mosques and elderly from communities and parents need to understand the trap ISIL is laying for these young people and how they are brainwashing them and trying to fill that vacuum.
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Old 26.02.2015, 17:01
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No, it's not the same imo. Times have changed, society has changed, and we have advanced levels of media to give us a reasonable idea of what the situation is like.
Buahaha I don't think any of us have a clue of what reality is like there for precisely that reason - the mainstream media narrative. There are many there, with such close encounters with death on a daily basis, which is an aphrodisiac in itself, who party.... two thousand zero zero party over oops out of time.... like it's 1999.

Reports from witnesses that pharmacies have been cleared of their viagra stock, 4 wives per jihadist, plus whatever sex slave they can get their hands on.
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As a Muslim woman I feel it is ideological. They are looking for a common identity, goal and are willing to die for that. There is a lot of conflict if you are born and raised in west. The values which are taught to us in our households are much different than what we see outside and it sort of creates a vacuum. Some of the women leaving are quite intelligent and were getting straight A's. They look at 'superficial' culture and apparently want to reject it for sharia and more 'Muslim' way of living.
Also, there is a general feeling of injustice for Muslims e.g. in Palestine, invasion of Iraq etc. In Asian community people tend to mingle with each other generally and love to talk about politics and what is happening to Muslims in other regions etc. This creates a sympathy for a cause.
I believe Mosques and elderly from communities and parents need to understand the trap ISIL is laying for these young people and how they are brainwashing them and trying to fill that vacuum.
sure but these girls are 15, have free will and they clearly aren't stupid. you have to ask the question why would they be motivated to join a bunch of killers? maybe they actually like what ISIS does? one can blame Twitter or Muslim Community leaders but imho these girls have some sort of blood lust /desire to be in a violent gang
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Old 26.02.2015, 17:45
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exactly spot on. thanks
Why is "Community service in a gay retirement home" homophobic ? the girls are happy enough to join an organizatin which kill gays, they should do something to show they learned their lesson and repent.
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