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Old 26.03.2015, 19:01
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Is it just me or is anyone else also wondering that with the advances in the technology why don't they equip the black box with videos AND sound?! Does anyone know why this is not possible? Or a live video feedback sent to a centre and kept for 12 hours after a flight so that they can go back and check things appropriately.I mean for a smallish fee you can now get live internet in some airplanes and skype or facetime with family while flying; why on earth can't they do better than this? You would think we can move forward from the good old black box; no?
Mainly for privacy reasons. Airlines have already been known to abuse CVR recordings. The unions object strongly to CCTV in the flight deck.
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Is it just me or is anyone else also wondering that with the advances in the technology why don't they equip the black box with videos AND sound?! Does anyone know why this is not possible? Or a live video feedback sent to a centre and kept for 12 hours after a flight so that they can go back and check things appropriately.I mean for a smallish fee you can now get live internet in some airplanes and skype or facetime with family while flying; why on earth can't they do better than this? You would think we can move forward from the good old black box; no?
Pilots have said no to video for privacy reasons… even only two hours of audio is kept on the CVR after two hours it gets recorded over.

What definitely needs looking at is data being sent back to ground in real time, flight data and location. So no more searching for flight recorders. I guess it's more expensive which is why it's not been done sooner, but in this day and age must be more than possible.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

but can't they get around the privacy issues? For example something like no humans will look at the data and it will self destroy unless there is a crash? I mean the pilots privacy concerns are irrelevant after everyone is killed?
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Old 26.03.2015, 20:47
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Well, it's quite a mess over at PPRUNE (Pilot's Forum) right now. One of their own was a bad nut. Takes the "us" out of "us and them" and into the dark realms of mental health issues.

Why? Unless the co-pilot wrote a note, you'll never know. There can be a thin line between sanity and insanity. When you wake up from a dream and then there's this twilight fringe of the dream still going on. What is real? What would happen if?

And this guy played it out in his head. And came to the über-selfish conclusion that this was worth playing out. Not for a belief, but for a lack of happiness in his own self-created version of life.

Taking 150 innocents with you isn't going to get you a front row seat in heaven. As there is no heaven, you've just destroyed hundreds if not thousands of people's emotional lives as well as taking their "happier than your life" lives with you into the side of a mountain.

Sometimes I truly wonder why man was put onto Earth.
Most of us won't be able to begin to comprehend such thought processes, for someone to do something like that they would have to be extremely unwell. I don't know how it could have gone unnoticed
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before ruining a dead guys reputation for eternity, and making his families life a living hell for the foreseeable future they should be 100% absolutely sure, to me this mean checking that by some fluke he didn't have some kind of fit, hit one button by accident then pass out (or some other improbable accident in the cockpit) the fdr will show if he pressed a sequence of buttons in the correct order, so no doubt, or pressed loads of random buttons mid fit that just so happened to cause this.

About as much chance as pressing random buttons at the ATM and getting your pin correct within 3 attempts


The strange thing is he apparently remained so calm during all of this, right up to the end. The BEA guy on TV said they could here the pax screaming at the end but the CP remained quite and breathing normally...


Now if he was partially incapacitated (i.e. a stroke) for some reason then you would most likely hear him hitting buttons repeatedly and not in the correct sequence first time, never mind other noises that would be associated with someone being partially incapacitated and trying to fly a plane.
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Old 26.03.2015, 21:46
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but can't they get around the privacy issues? For example something like no humans will look at the data and it will self destroy unless there is a crash? I mean the pilots privacy concerns are irrelevant after everyone is killed?

A video also would not prevent this tragedy to have happened
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Most of us won't be able to begin to comprehend such thought processes, for someone to do something like that they would have to be extremely unwell. I don't know how it could have gone unnoticed
Dissimulation.

It's so sad...yet another portion of the absurdities people are capable of doing to each other.

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Can we please have a news ban on the publicity of the victims until the loved ones of the deceased allow the ban to be lifted. We don't need to hear gory details. We should not be showing the loved ones on TV, get the cameras away.
When was the press sensitive? You're asking for common sense in a place that doesn't have any, it's only about ratings in their world.
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Old 26.03.2015, 23:39
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

CNN just showed a picture of a memorial plaque that has been erected at the staging area. Really? Less than 72 hours and we've got an engraved plaque?
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Old 26.03.2015, 23:42
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Can we please have a news ban on the publicity of the victims until the loved ones of the deceased allow the ban to be lifted. We don't need to hear gory details. We should not be showing the loved ones on TV, get the cameras away.

I agree with the moral side of your argument but definitely oppose to the idea to limit the freedom of the media. That freedom includes the freedom to report and the freedom to take photos. To have it with Helmut Schmidt der Rechts-Staat ist unteilbar // the legal state is not to be divided or to have it with Harry S. Truman you cannot have a legal state on Monday Wednesday and Friday and a state as you wish on Tuesday Thursday and Saturday No no no, the media in this case kept up decency for many hours, but after 10 hours, the freedom of the media, the freedom of opinion and the freedom of speech is to be given priority. EVEN when a lot of what is reported is clearly rubbish
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Old 26.03.2015, 23:48
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Can we please have a news ban on the publicity of the victims until the loved ones of the deceased allow the ban to be lifted. We don't need to hear gory details. We should not be showing the loved ones on TV, get the cameras away.
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I agree with the moral side of your argument but definitely oppose to the idea to limit the freedom of the media. That freedom includes the freedom to report and the freedom to take photos. To have it with Helmut Schmidt der Rechts-Staat ist unteilbar // the legal state is not to be divided or to have it with Harry S. Truman you cannot have a legal state on Monday Wednesday and Friday and a state as you wish on Tuesday Thursday and Saturday No no no, the media in this case kept up decency for many hours, but after 10 hours, the freedom of the media, the freedom of opinion and the freedom of speech is to be given priority. EVEN when a lot of what is reported is clearly rubbish
I haven't seen anything terrible by the media. I saw nothing crazy before the rumours this morning. Yes they ran the story about the FO locking the Cpt out before it was announced by the investigators… but their source was clearly good. They've behaved a damn sight better than they did when MH370 disappeared and they were chasing relatives through the terminal. I haven't seen any pax manifests released or crew names, any pax or crew information that has come out seems to have come from official sources investigators/foreign offices/families/schools.
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There is one very big assumption that's been made here, and that is that is was one of the pilots hammering on the door.

IME I've yet to see one of the flight crew leave the flightdeck on a short haul flight.

I am sorry but I DID see pilots going to the toilet during short haul flights
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So, they're blaming the co-pilot 48 hours after the crash and before they've even found, let alone analysed, the FDR.

To announce this before they even know what controls were activated is bloody irresponsible. In fact if I were a TFH I'd say that the BEA are being pressured to protect Airbus which France most certainly has a great interest in.

OK, so what we do know does not appear to do the co-pilot any favours, but for heavens sake get all the facts you can before apportioning blame, and after just 48 hours there's a hell of lot still to be pieced together before any real conclusions can be drawn.

This allegation is pure speculation. I presume, the state attorney based his allegation on investigations done by the DGAC and by the Police Judiciaire , He proclaimed that enough Facts are known to get to clear conclusions. And he to some extent contradicted previous statements of the Président de la République and Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel, what tells me that he is rather sure of what he states
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

They know that the FO re-programmed the flight level from 38'000ft to 100ft, because this information is sent by the transponder, to ATC radar screens on the ground. They also have the time this was done… just after the Cpt left the flight deck 09:30:55(Z).
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They know that the FO re-programmed the flight level from 38'000ft to 100ft, because this information is sent by the transponder, to ATC radar screens on the ground. They also have the time this was done… just after the Cpt left the flight deck 09:30:55(Z).

THIS info alone is sufficient to make a conclusions. Remains the BIG question WHY ..........................................
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THIS info alone is sufficient to make a conclusions. Remains the BIG question WHY ..........................................
Yes! But it is enough to conclude that it was a deliberate action. This is not possible by a collapse and leaning on a button!
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

New report that actions were deliberate and there was total silence in cockpit during the decent... it is odd that it was programmed though. If you going to crash it then why not manually fly it into ground.
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New report that actions were deliberate and there was total silence in cockpit during the decent... it is odd that it was programmed though. If you going to crash it then why not manually fly it into ground.

Amazing. Some new things come into effect now


Fluggesellschaften wie Air Berlin, Easyjet, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Air Canada und Icelandair kündigen neue Regeln für die Besetzung des Cockpits an. Easyjet Schweiz teilt mit, die Änderung trete am Freitag in Kraft
Airlines wie Air Berlin, Easyjet, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Icelandair und Air Canada haben neue Regelungen für die Besetzung des Cockpits angekündigt, nach welchen im Cockpit während aller Flüge immer jeweils zwei Piloten anwesend sein müssen. Bei Easyjet Schweiz trat die Regelung bereits am 27. März in Kraft


Airlines as Air Berlin, Easyjet, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Icealandair and Air Canada are pushing a new rule into effect demanding that there always have to be TWO pilots in the Cockpit during flights
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THIS info alone is sufficient to make a conclusions. Remains the BIG question WHY ..........................................
Earlier today, in one of the press conferences, it was said that the FO took a break from his training, but returned after it was deemed he was fit to fly. As soon as they said this I thought… uh oh! Now rumour has it that break was due to depression (Not that depression automatically means you want to kill 150 people).

I feel for his family…. the British headlines tomorrow are not very nice, "Killer pilot" "Depressed" "Why was he allowed to fly" etc etc.
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Amazing. Some new things come into effect now


Fluggesellschaften wie Air Berlin, Easyjet, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Air Canada und Icelandair kündigen neue Regeln für die Besetzung des Cockpits an. Easyjet Schweiz teilt mit, die Änderung trete am Freitag in Kraft
Airlines wie Air Berlin, Easyjet, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Icelandair und Air Canada haben neue Regelungen für die Besetzung des Cockpits angekündigt, nach welchen im Cockpit während aller Flüge immer jeweils zwei Piloten anwesend sein müssen. Bei Easyjet Schweiz trat die Regelung bereits am 27. März in Kraft


Airlines as Air Berlin, Easyjet, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Icealandair and Air Canada are pushing a new rule into effect demanding that there always have to be TWO pilots in the Cockpit during flights
Two pilots is a good idea but pushing in some young stewardess as a substitute who has no idea what buttons the pilot is pushing and could probably be easily overpowered will not solve anything.
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Two pilots is a good idea but pushing in some young stewardess as a substitute who has no idea what buttons the pilot is pushing and could probably be easily overpowered will not solve anything.

They spoke about PILOTS, but in case of Crew members I am sure that any Regulation has to specify the Purser (ess) and not a newbe
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