pretty sure there are no bodies laying anywhere in that mess

Don't hate him

There Is No Forgiveness Without Repentance In The Bible

Err, best described in laymen's terms as 'turning the knob'.

it also say tho shalt not kill and suicide is a sin and leads to eternal damnation

MIND have issued this statement today. It would be helpful if people would take note of this before jumping to conclusions or making rash statements. It has been a terrible situation for all.

http://www.mind.org.uk/news-campaign.../#.VRV6pvysVu2

Someone should ask Sue Baker, Paul Farmer and Mark Winstanley if they'd be happy to have a mentalist piloting their plane the next time they board a flight to Tenerife. A simple yes or no would do.

In some individuals, mild to moderate depression is acute, not chronic and if treated properly it is cured. But of course the diagnosis and treatment follows you forever. Moreover there is a big difference between depression and suicidal intent. At any rate, painting all "mental illness" with the same broad brush fails to consider the great variation and lack of diagnostic clarity.

Your facts of mental illness - the lack of thought about others and lack of clarity are simply wrong for some conditions, especially moderate depression. And lack of compassion is just as often an individual characteristic rather than a consequence of a mental illness. This is why organizations like MIND are appealing to people to slow down and be careful of stigmatization.

However, rules for pilots are very stringent. Apparently if you have type 1 or 2 diabetes (even non insulin dependent), you can't pilot commercially in most cases.

Is it clear this was a psychiatric and not physical diagnosis?

At any rate, it's very sad that this guy had to take out himself and everyone else, if indeed that was the case here. Perhaps airlines can better monitor their employees, but it's not much compensation for the families, etc of those involved. It makes me angry that such a thing can happen, and i hope this will lead to better personnel screening and more compassionate treatment of impaired employees, plus safeguards on the plane. The truth is though, that shit happens.....and it's tragic.

Well-said, Assassin.


It's these kind of tragedies that should pull us together and not split us apart. There are many sufferers of depression amongst us and, unless you've been pulled down the throbbing, polarizing dark tunnel into the evil black pit of self-condemning thoughts, it's almost incomprehensible to understand this man's actions. This is a time of sympathy, grief and slow recovery. Consoling the inconsolable. Showing love to those who need it most. Being grateful for all those around you.


Sending a hug to all those who need it right now. Feel the love and the positive energy from others and from within yourself.

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There are mixed messages here.

Was he somebody with depression that killed 150 people, and we mustn't judge him because anyone with depression could do the same?

Or was he an unusual case and people with depression don't normally kill other people.

I'm going with MIND. He might have had depression. He might have been ill. But it takes a particularly evil person to do what he did.

They have found an unfit for work certificate, including for the day of the crash.

No news yet on whether that was for physical or psychological reasons. The airline never received the note, which covered several days.

The guy had depression.

Depression doesn't make you a murderer.

He was a murderer.

He was mentally ill and a murderer, but I wonder if we will ever find out if he intended to do this or just totally disconnected from reality when he shut the door. I don't know where to go on this at present. If I say that he was not guilty by reason of insanity, can terrorists claim that they suffered insanity by being brainwashed into committing atrocities?

I know that many civil liberties will not agree with my opinion on cameras and increased intrusion in personal privacy, but I think that it could have helped in this case. The problem is that it has to be coupled with understanding and resources.

Sometimes I like the fact that Switzerland has nosy neighbors who report to the police, I see it as a part of a concerned and caring community; as long as they do it to help inclusion and healing and not to blame and ostracize.

From this article:

"Yesterday's revelations...point to the mindset of the kind of person who goes on a calculated killing spree on a school or army base and then kills themselves (according to leading psychologist Professor Craig Jackson)."

"He reportedly received a year and half of psychiatric treatment and was at one point recommended to be examined by a doctor before flying."

"police are now investigating whether Lubitz had stopped taking any medication he was on and have questioned chemists at the Apotheke"

"Lubitz regularly collected a prescription from the pharmacy"

"documents found indicated 'an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment'"

All of which prompts me to wonder whether the medication connection will ever be reported in the media. Most, if not all, killing spree perps in the US have been connected to pharma industry products that they were taking or had recently stopped taking.

It wasn't all that long ago that the psychiatry trade and big pharma asserted that "depression" was chemically treatable, and ever since, big pharma has been introducing a steady parade of new products, which psychiatrists prescribe before adequate long-term testing (including withdrawal testing) has been possible. This has been conspicuously followed by a marked increase in murder-suicides and spree-killings, particularly over the last decade or more.

Mainstream news reports seldom name the medications involved (or that a medication was involved at all), but inquiring minds often probe and uncover just such a "medical" connection, usually involving a relatively new drug.

Who knows how much big pharma does (or spends) to keep such details out of the news, but I think the public ought to be concerned (if not outraged) that sad people are being used as big pharma guinea pigs at the expense of so many innocent victims — including the sad people themselves, who (like the rest of the public) would likely be oblivious to the notion that their thoughts and motivations could be chemically affected.

None of this is meant to diminish the horror and tragedy of this present event, but while governments, the media, the psychiatry trade and big pharma remain conspicuously silent on this question, IMHO it deserves better than being swept under the rug.

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Go ahead and let as know, please

For all of you going on about mental illness, please note that it doesn't seem to be the case here.

"In a statement (in German), prosecutors said they had seized medical documents from Mr Lubitz's two residences - his Duesseldorf flat and his parents' home north of Frankfurt - which indicated an "existing illness and appropriate medical treatment".
The "fact that, among the documents found, there were sick notes - torn-up, current and for the day of the crash - leads to the provisional assessment that the deceased was hiding his illness from his employer", the report states.
Germanwings confirmed it had not been given a sick note for the day of the crash.
Duesseldorf's University Hospital issued a statement (in German) saying Mr Lubitz had attended the hospital on 10 March and last month.
Adding that it had handed his medical records over to prosecutors, it said reports the co-pilot had been treated there for depression were incorrect.
Germany's Rheinischer Post newspaper, which spoke to the hospital, quoted its own unnamed sources as saying Mr Lubitz had been suffering from a physical, rather than a mental, illness."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32087203

It could be something as simple as he's been having treatment for a terminal illness which hasn't worked and he simply decided to end it all. Not everyone leaves a suicide note when they decide to leave this world. Though why he saw the need to take another 149 people with him is beyond me.

Go ahead and let as know, please

Women with post-natal depression have been known to murder their children and then commit suicide.

Are they murderers or sufferers of depression?

This is in answer to the second of your three sentences.

This happened in my sleepy little village a few years ago. No one called the mother a murderer.

The co pilots case is too difficult to categorize because of all the unknown factors including, most importantly, the question of his frame of mind at that moment. The copilot did not know any of the passengers but he did know the crew. By locking himself in the cockpit, he placed himself away from reality, ignored all noises and let his suicidal thoughts take over.

Not simple at all.

Not simply.

It's beyond us, because it is far from whatever explanation or assumption simply offers itself.

I know how you meant it. Life is far from simple.

I feel awful for the victims' nearest ones and the guy's family.

Best start spending those Miles & More miles.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ited-liability