GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps - Page 18

marton · #**341** 28.03.2015, 14:06

	Quote:	basher
	Why does it matter? because the truth is out there but a long long way from being uncovered but as is he case in all air crah investigations, every sequence of events will be attempted to be put back together . Whilst irresponsible journalists publish pure fabrication as `fact` - it just serves to cloud the whole issue. As you rightly say - they love to embellish stories just to create new angles. Anway - just did a quick google search and found this on www.skybrary.aero Fire/crash axe/crowbar. Fire axes were provided to obtain emergency access to areas and parts of the airplane which are not easily accessible (e.g. behind sidewall, electrical or ceiling panels). The handle is insulated to protect against electric shock. In the past, fire axes might be found in the flight deck and in the passenger cabin but on most carriers, in compliance with anti-terrorism regulations and procedures, axes are no longer carried and have been replaced by insulated crowbars in the passenger/cargo compartment.

About " the truth is out there but a long long way from being uncovered "

Actually not correct, we do know the whole truth from the official statements.
What we do not know is "Why", maybe we never will!

marton · #**342** 28.03.2015, 14:17

	Quote:	lost_inbroad
	To me that doesn't prove anything. It lacks complete evidence and if it were a court case with a different scenario, it would have probably been dismissed. How can the investigation provide the fact, that it was his intent? How can they prove, that he wasn't being incapacitated of some sort? How can they prove, that it was actually him who overrode the system. It could have easily been the captain who wanted to crash the plane. He could have incapacited the co-pilot, set the system to crash and then left the cockpick. How do we know that it was the captain who was knocking on the door and possibly try to break into the cockpit? Has he identified himself? No. The captain could have gone to the back, acting all weird that's when a flight-attendant noticed something was wrong and then knocked on the door. Without clearing all the possible unanswered questions, it seems nothing more than an assumption to me.

About "if it were a court case with a different scenario, it would have probably been dismissed"

Why do you talk about a different scenario? This scenario is clear.

About "it seems nothing more than an assumption to me" It must be very lonely on your planet!

About " set the system to crash and then left the cockpit" The system was changed after the door closed. Or are you suggesting the captain managed to get back into the cockpit, set the system and leave again without using the door?

How did the captain manage to override the manual system in the cockpit (that stops the emergency code opening the door)?

basher · #**343** 28.03.2015, 14:19

	Quote:	marton
	About " the truth is out there but a long long way from being uncovered " Actually not correct, we do know the whole truth from the official statements. What we do not know is "Why", maybe we never will!

Mmmm, maybe you`re right but I wouldn`t be surprised if we had to review that statement in a weeks time. There were many official statements after other tragedies, that were later `corrected`.

marton · #**344** 28.03.2015, 14:22

	Quote:	basher
	Mmmm, maybe you`re right but I wouldn`t be surprised if we had to review that statement in a weeks time. There were many official statements after other tragedies, that were later `corrected`.

Examples?

#**345** 28.03.2015, 15:08

Anyone knows the reasons why info re his medical condition, aside from depression, is not being released? Thus allowing the Press and so many all over the world making assumptions. It could be so many things, from terminal illness, to diabetes, heart problems, epilepsy - etc. Why the secrecy- what is to be gained by it at this stage apart from fuelling this awful speculation? Is it pressure from the Pilots' unions, or what?

#**346** 28.03.2015, 15:30

	Quote:
	Anyone knows the reasons why info re his medical condition, aside from depression, is not being released? Thus allowing the Press and so many all over the world making assumptions. It could be so many things, from terminal illness, to diabetes, heart problems, epilepsy - etc. Why the secrecy- what is to be gained by it at this stage apart from fuelling this awful speculation? Is it pressure from the Pilots' unions, or what?

Looks like German medical privacy is very stringent. The prosecutor has access, but it's not so easy for employers.

http://time.com/3761895/germanwings-privacy-law/

I wonder if this will motivate changes in the law. Certainly, if an individual is unfit for work due to medical causes, a company should have access to that information.

At any rate, is it absolutely certain he was dx'd with depression? He could have a number of other psychological or physical condition. And "depression" is a very vague diagnosis.

lost_inbroad · #**347** 28.03.2015, 18:44

	Quote:	marton
	About "if it were a court case with a different scenario, it would have probably been dismissed" Why do you talk about a different scenario? This scenario is clear. About "it seems nothing more than an assumption to me" It must be very lonely on your planet! About " set the system to crash and then left the cockpit" The system was changed after the door closed. Or are you suggesting the captain managed to get back into the cockpit, set the system and leave again without using the door? How did the captain manage to override the manual system in the cockpit (that stops the emergency code opening the door)?

How could he have openend and closed the door? You can open and close a door in a manner you can acustically hear it or you can open, close and then re-open the door silently and leave it ajar, while you override the system..and that's just my quick response solution without putting much thought to it....some of you are real sheep and take everything for face value. Incredible.

Texaner · #**348** 28.03.2015, 18:59

	Quote:	lost_inbroad
	...just my quick response solution without putting much thought to it...

That's the problem right there.

SOBEIT · #**349** 28.03.2015, 19:04

Always good to hear different theories, true or not.

Island Monkey · #**350** 28.03.2015, 19:25

Rumour has it that he was being treated for an eye condition. Maybe if that was going to end his dream career then……..

An ex girlfriend has told the press the he told her, one day he would do something that would cause everyone to know his name.

ratbag · #**351** 28.03.2015, 19:30

A planeload of innocent, normal, run-of-the-mill folk ranging in age from babies to pensioners have been butchered by a demented psychopath.

The continuing debate and speculation are precisely what he yearned for.

Is there a way we can mourn and celebrate the lives of these people and at the same time consign this animal to oblivion by never referring to him or mentioning him by name?

Could he be forever wiped from the memory of mankind?

grumpygrapefruit · #**352** 28.03.2015, 20:45

	Quote:	ratbag
	A planeload of innocent, normal, run-of-the-mill folk ranging in age from babies to pensioners have been butchered by a demented psychopath. The continuing debate and speculation are precisely what he yearned for. Is there a way we can mourn and celebrate the lives of these people and at the same time consign this animal to oblivion by never referring to him or mentioning him by name? Could he be forever wiped from the memory of mankind?

Of course he can't.

ratbag · #**353** 28.03.2015, 20:53

So... he will then stand as a beacon to others who feel the same to vent their ultimate frustration?

rainer_d · #**354** 28.03.2015, 21:15

	Quote:	ratbag
	So... he will then stand as a beacon to others who feel the same to vent their ultimate frustration?

Likely.
But he didn't invent the concept.
The phrase "go down with a bang" existed prior to this incident....

Apsrsj · #**355** 28.03.2015, 21:16

Another thing to consider; this whole story has stigmatized "mental illnesses" like never before... I Feel for those with depression. A depressed person usually commits suicide; doesn't kill a whole class of innocent kids along with other innocent individuals; a psychopath maybe...

Texaner · #**356** 29.03.2015, 08:28

Interesting article featuring some comments by experienced pilots about this event.

Wollishofener · #**357** 29.03.2015, 11:48

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	Known is > he blocked the Cockpit entry > he re-programmed the Autopilot to a destination of 30 m > he gave full power to two engines Not clear, in spite of all the reports and all the rumours is WHY Clear is that he became guilty of the murder of 149 People Obvious is that he is a 100% German and not of Arab or Kurdish or Turkish or Kosovari origin. I do not care about all that Psycho Business. But I imagine how it would have been in the media had he been of 50% Algerian or Egyptian origin. FACT is that he was/is a murderer

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and here

a nice map of the region in question. A distant Cousin of me for a while was test-pilot of the AeroNavale in Castelane, but in the meantime became a salesman of MATRA in Paris

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the victims were, up from the latest info

72 Germans
51 Spaniards
1 Dane
1 Dutch
1 Belgian
3 Brits
3 US Americans
2 Mexicans
2 Colombians
2 Venezuelans
3 Argentinians
1 Israeli
2 Iranians
3 Kazaks
2 Japanese
2 Australians

Tom1234 · #**358** 29.03.2015, 11:55

	Quote:	SOBEIT
	Always good to hear different theories, true or not.

Not always good.

Wollishofener · #**359** 29.03.2015, 12:00

	Quote:	lost_inbroad
	Of course, clearly, if Blick states it in their highly sophisticated report, then it is obviously true.

Beside the point that BLICK employs some really good journalists they simply based their reporting on the DGAC, on LeMONDE and on LIBERATION. In short, it really IS true

#**360** 29.03.2015, 12:21

[QUOTE=Wollishofener;2366394
Obvious is that he is a 100% German and not of Arab or Kurdish or Turkish or Kosovari origin. I do not care about all that Psycho Business. But I imagine how it would have been in the media had he been of 50% Algerian or Egyptian origin. FACT is that he was/is a murderer[/QUOTE]

This- had he been any psychopath or suffering from severe depression AND just happened to have any Arab blood in him - would have automatically made him a terrorist.

Thinking about many members of my family - if journalists were to dig into past generations would say 'ah, easy, the great grandfater converted to Islam in the 19C and grand-mother was an Indonesian Muslim, and a lot of distant relatives are Muslims now in many parts of the world- so that's clear innit (and it would have NO bearings at all on my kids behaviour, NONE whatsoever- despite the above being totally true and correct). But I'm sure the journalists would jump to that 'esay' and stupid conclusion...