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Is it possible that with the speed the plane was going down it could affect the pressure and everyone was unconscious?

I really hope so.
It depends, if the plane depressurized or broke up then there's a good chance the passengers would have been killed instantly. However if it remained intact then those passangers would have had to sit there for several minutes knowing the end was nigh.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

10 minutes by the sound of the reports
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

To add to the Flyertalk link, here is the pilots' perspective:

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http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...rn-france.html
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

BBC's report here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32030270

Really sad to read this. Seem to have been so many airplanes lost lately relatively speaking. Condolences to anyone who had friends or family on board.
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Just imagine you're being sat there getting stuck into your latest Jack Reacher novel with a cup of awful coffee and the next moment you're on a non stop ticket to the afterlife. Absolutely terrifying.
Quite.

I did the EJ ZH-Gatwick shuttle this morning and saw this news on the train to Brighton and thought about what a regular day it was at ZHR this morning at 8:30, and must've been the same at El Prat at the same time...

We take it all so for granted, particularly those of us who hop around Europe week in week out - a 'love you, see you Friday' as we go our separate ways at a bus stop in Zurich...

My thoughts with the families & friends of those poor souls - I just can't imagine :-(
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

This is a sad, sad thing and I'm sure a majority of those on the plane were Spanish and German so there will be people on this forum who will be touched by this tragedy. My condolences and let's not lose sight of the lives lost as we move into the inevitable "investigation and discovery" mode.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

At times like this, I find the armchair speculation and BS commentary to be really annoying. We don't know what happened and neither do the media. They get a whiff of something and repeat it so many times, it must be true.

Cause will eventually be discovered, lessons learned will be indoctrinated into the industry and some TV show will be made which gives us the instant gratification we so desire right now.

For now, my sympathy goes out to families of the PAX and crew and I wish all the best to the rescue and investigation teams which now have to deal with this tragedy.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

quite, now they are saying no distress signal was made by the plane, it was ATC that sounded the alarm
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Terrible business. Somehow we get lulled into thinking modern methods and technology will keep us all safe and then....

Latest news is that there was no emergency call by the pilot as originally reported; seems people got confused by the ATC general announcement of an emergency.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

It seems now that a depressurisation could have occurred at altitude. ATC have confirmed no distress signal was received which suggests the crew weren't in control of the plane. Also, at the time of decent, there was a number of airports to head to if the aircraft was in difficulties rather than flying straight into the mountains.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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French Police reported two helicopter spotted the remains of the aircraft on the ground at about 2700 meters elevation (8800 feet) between Prads-Haute-Bleone and Barcelonnette (France), about half way between the two cities there is a mountain ridge rising up to 8900 feet.

The President of France reported, it does not appear there are any survivors. The crash site is very difficult to reach.
http://avherald.com/h?article=483a5651
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It seems now that a depressurisation could have occurred at altitude. ATC have confirmed no distress signal was received which suggests the crew weren't in control of the plane. Also, at the time of decent, there was a number of airports to head to if the aircraft was in difficulties rather than flying straight into the mountains.

Or perhaps they never recognized they were in danger and it was a controlled descent into obscured terrain. Certainly another possibility but not nearly as sensationalist as yours.
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Or perhaps they never recognized they were in danger and it was a controlled descent into obscured terrain. Certainly another possibility but not nearly as sensationalist as yours.
What's sensationalist about it? It's purely speculation. Controlled descent at that speed? Unlikely.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

to be fair he didn't say well controlled
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

French authorities announced 42 spanish in the plain, really sad. As well for the rest of the passengers. I read that the plane was built on 1990 one of the oldest planes in this lowcost company. My point is, a plane from the 90s with 25years is not enough old to keep flying? Would this happen in a new aircraft??
All my thoughts for the families RIP
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At times like this, I find the armchair speculation and BS commentary to be really annoying. We don't know what happened and neither do the media. They get a whiff of something and repeat it so many times, it must be true.

Cause will eventually be discovered, lessons learned will be indoctrinated into the industry and some TV show will be made which gives us the instant gratification we so desire right now.
Everyone speculates when the cause isn't blatantly obvious. You have the most widely used modern airliner in the hands of a major German airline on a scheduled flight at Flight Level 380 and then it pretty much descends straight into the ground in a straight line.

A friend of mine was at the Airbus operators safety meeting in Paris today when the news was received. You want to try and figure out what potentially happened in case it affects the rest of your fleet. What were the last maintenance write ups, were all the mandatory service bulletins incorporated, engine history, unscheduled component changes etc. anything that would maybe point to oxygen issues or pressure leaks? Because by the time the voice recorder and flight data recorder information is evaluated several days will have passed and you'll want to be ahead of the curve in taking appropriate steps to do whatever it takes to prevent a repeat.

Unfortunately, your knowledge base is only as good as the thoroughness of the last accident report. And the next accident is already waiting to happen and it will have unique elements once again.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

From BBC News "Several German newspapers are reporting that the passengers included a German school class on its way back from an exchange trip."
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Air Inter flight 148

Its not the first time. But explosive decompression and screaming on the way down for 10 minutes (as you suggest) sounds much more interesting. Stick with that.

"The pilots had no warning of the imminent impact...Flight 148 was the third in a series of crashes caused, at least in part, by what was believed to be pilots' unfamiliarity with the sophisticated computer system of the Airbus A320. The Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la Sécurité de l'Aviation Civile (BEA) believe that Flight 148 crashed because the pilots inadvertently left the autopilot set in Vertical Speed mode (instead of Flight Path Angle mode) then entered "33" for "3.3° descent angle", which for the autopilot meant a descent rate of 3,300 feet (1,000 m) per minute."
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Air Inter flight 148

Its not the first time. But explosive decompression and screaming on the way down for 10 minutes (as you suggest) sounds much more interesting. Stick with that.

"The pilots had no warning of the imminent impact...Flight 148 was the third in a series of crashes caused, at least in part, by what was believed to be pilots' unfamiliarity with the sophisticated computer system of the Airbus A320. The Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la Sécurité de l'Aviation Civile (BEA) believe that Flight 148 crashed because the pilots inadvertently left the autopilot set in Vertical Speed mode (instead of Flight Path Angle mode) then entered "33" for "3.3° descent angle", which for the autopilot meant a descent rate of 3,300 feet (1,000 m) per minute."
Wouldn't the pilots have noticed after, say, a few of the ten minutes of descent at 3,300' per minute available to them that the plane was falling out of the sky, and done something about it?
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Air Inter flight 148

Its not the first time. But explosive decompression and screaming on the way down for 10 minutes (as you suggest) sounds much more interesting. Stick with that.

"The pilots had no warning of the imminent impact...Flight 148 was the third in a series of crashes caused, at least in part, by what was believed to be pilots' unfamiliarity with the sophisticated computer system of the Airbus A320. The Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la Sécurité de l'Aviation Civile (BEA) believe that Flight 148 crashed because the pilots inadvertently left the autopilot set in Vertical Speed mode (instead of Flight Path Angle mode) then entered "33" for "3.3° descent angle", which for the autopilot meant a descent rate of 3,300 feet (1,000 m) per minute."
I don't see the issue with speculation. To put it into perspective, since that plane went down this morning around 1000 people will have died on the world's roads, yet people are far more interested in aircraft accidents. Perhaps it's the scale, perhaps it's because it reminds people that when flying they're not in control.
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