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Old 01.04.2015, 14:38
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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It is horrible to loose a child/grandchild in this manner. But it's not a devastation competition. It's just as horrible to lose a spouse/sibling/friend/parent. It depends on the individuals involved.
Or a dog or a cat.

A Vietnamese girl lost her dog recently and found it a few days later. Cooked and ready to eat at a market food stall.

She was devastated.

The story didn't say whether she bought it and ate it anyway...

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Old 01.04.2015, 14:42
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Does the goat in the cartoon have a special significance because it's easter and people eat goat for easter?
I took it to be a (alpine) mountain goat and thought it meant the cloud was low and they were actually flying into the mountain while they assumed the goat was flying in the sky above the clouds. Could have totally misunderstood the 'joke' of course.

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Old 01.04.2015, 20:14
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I for example remember that Swissair DID fly to Tehran in those days, the Swissair-ler were quite proud about it, and so did many others.


And just to remember




Tabatabai gehörte zum Umkreis von Ayatollah Ruhollah Chomeini in dessen Pariser Exil, im Vorort Neauphle-le-Château, und saß am 1. Februar 1979 bei dessen Rückkehr in den Iran im selben Air-France-Flugzeug,[2] ebenso wie Sadegh Khalkali und Peter Scholl-Latour.[3]


Peter Scholl-Latour, the late Doyen of international politics in Germany, flew to Tehran in those day on AIR FRANCE


While also Lufthansa AND Air France AND Swissair AND ALITALIA had to cancel Tehran on many days


I just recently bought the last two books of Peter Scholl-Latour, in my view the best Journalist ever
I was talking about the height of hte revolution when the revolutionaries and the old giard were fighting for control of the airport- while I was in it. I think that Lufthansa were the first to successfully land. British Airways tried maay times but had to abort the landing and turn back. I will try to read Scholl-Latour, if I find a translation. If you want to know about the Middle East during that time I recommend Robert E Huyser, Mission to Tehran.
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Old 01.04.2015, 20:29
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Dindn't take long, Paris Match and the Bild getting there hands on the mobile phone footage.
There should be a change in the law to protect the rights of the deceased who die in such tragic circumstances. I think that we do need to know the details so that we take measure to try to ensure that it does not happen again, but loved ones do not deserve for the deceased to be remembered by what was on that cell phone. Loved ones should be given the resources (such as unbiased legal counsel, accommodation etc.) to collect together and make decisions concerning personal belongings and private information, without the interference of the public, press or air authorities.
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Old 01.04.2015, 21:02
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

So, as the latest investigation reports show, the first officer had his oxygen mask on, right before the crash. I wonder why.
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Old 01.04.2015, 22:27
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So, as the latest investigation reports show, the first officer had his oxygen mask on, right before the crash. I wonder why.
To make it look good.

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Old 01.04.2015, 22:37
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Very interesting documentary currently on UK channel 4, centring around the tragedy, called `How safe are our planes?` . . for those with access to UK channels.
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Old 01.04.2015, 22:42
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So, as the latest investigation reports show, the first officer had his oxygen mask on, right before the crash. I wonder why.
Pretty simple to explain...in case the captain succeeded in depressurising the plane (which apparently would have unlocked the cockpit door but unfortunately disabled the captain).

If the mask was needed, the captain wouldn't have been concious and able to bang on the cockpit door.

Interesting that you trust the audio recording to hint that the co-pilot was wearing the mask (there is nothing else to confirm this) but not that his voice could be identified as the one in the cockpit...
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Aren't there portable oxygen masks available to the cabin crew? There ahould be for an emergency landing preparation and for a first-aid.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Yes smoke hoods with a built in oxy generator and slso portable 310 litre oxygen bottles and masks. . There are also 120 litre versions depending on cabin lay outs and internal approvals
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Very interesting documentary currently on UK channel 4, centring around the tragedy, called `How safe are our planes?` . . for those with access to UK channels.
And I bet they didn't have 1 person with a maintenance background just retired pilots who don't have a clue what really happens.
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Old 02.04.2015, 06:39
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Any parent or grand-parent who didn't think about those kids on the plane and found it unbearable that they had to face those tragic events without their loved ones/parents- and who could not emphathise with what the parents/grand-parents went through and will go through for rest of their lives - must indeed be a very very weird and cold exception.


the aspect with the many Kids is particularily depressing for sure, but what can we do ? also weird is that those who could go were Chosen by a Kind of lottery. and strange also that most were Girls. I can imagine many a Boy condemned to stay at home, green of anger and envy, now learning about the matter. I still remember a colleague in Commercial School (KV Zch) who had made me very angry, just before the Holiday and who during the Holiday DIED in a traffic accident. I felt badly but what ?
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Old 02.04.2015, 09:21
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So, as the latest investigation reports show, the first officer had his oxygen mask on, right before the crash. I wonder why.
I believe procedure, at least on US flights is for the pilot of the plane to put on the mask when he is alone in the cabin as an added safety measure in case of an emergency before the other pilot returns. If it is procedure, he may have have been expected to put it on before the other pilot left, and just didn't bother to remove it.
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Old 02.04.2015, 09:29
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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I believe procedure, at least on US flights is for the pilot of the plane to put on the mask when he is alone in the cabin as an added safety measure in case of an emergency before the other pilot returns. If it is procedure, he may have have been expected to put it on before the other pilot left, and just didn't bother to remove it.
I thought that on US flights, the pilots are NOT allowed to be on their own in the cabin - or did I read that wrong.
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I thought that on US flights, the pilots are NOT allowed to be on their own in the cabin - or did I read that wrong.
No, you're right. I've read that too. But I also remember being told about the rule, and seeing a pilot in the cockpit wearing the mask as one leaves (only on smaller planes, the big ones don't really allow you a sight line to the cockpit). Since the flight attendant isn't a pilot- maybe the only person up there who can actually fly the plane should be wearing one?

Edit: I found this in FAA regulations on Oxygen use:

Section 135.89
4) If one pilot leaves a pilot duty station of an aircraft when operating at altitudes above

25,000 feet MSL, the remaining pilot at the controls shall put on and use an approved

oxygen mask until the other pilot returns to the pilot duty station of the aircraft.

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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Huffington Post just posted an article using a photo misidentifying a man from Bern as Andreas Lubitz. Shoddy journalism, HP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6986936.html

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...selt--23560531
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

The second flight recorder has been found.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32159602

"In a separate development, German prosecutors have revealed that Lubitz had researched suicide methods and cockpit door security online."

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Huffington Post just posted an article using a photo misidentifying a man from Bern as Andreas Lubitz. Shoddy journalism, HP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6986936.html

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...selt--23560531

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32159602

"In a separate development, German prosecutors have revealed that Lubitz had researched suicide methods and cockpit door security online."

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He was reading how to *prevent* suicides, stupid! /LiB
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