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Old 02.04.2015, 21:35
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He was reading how to *prevent* suicides, stupid! /LiB
Right, and what exactly does this PROVE? Absolutely nothing. He might have been obsessed with suicides, maybe he was a goth, who knows. Sure, it looks like he did it but apart from that, it proves absolutely nothing. I wonder what people would think of you if they were to google your google history....clearly, just a part of sensationalism pushed by the media.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Bachmann is an IDIOT
You noticed…??
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

almost exactly the same number of people shot in Kenia today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/wo...enya.html?_r=0

Looks like the whole spectrum of ridiculousness has been covered in one week.
Really sad
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Old 03.04.2015, 09:46
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Bachmann is an IDIOT
Obviously, as she gave up her Swiss citizenship rather than her US!

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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

The BEA (French Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety) stated today that the first analysis of the flight recorder confirm that the co-pilot intentionally activated the controls and accelerated the plane to crash it in the french Alps.


/sarcastic mode: on autopilot
But be careful again....don't be sheeps. The BEA is obviously manipulating public opinion with the support of mass media to scare you of the great satan.
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Old 06.05.2015, 15:32
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Seems he did some dry runs on the outbound flight:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32604552

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Right, and what exactly does this PROVE? Absolutely nothing. He might have been obsessed with suicides, maybe he was a goth, who knows. Sure, it looks like he did it but apart from that, it proves absolutely nothing. I wonder what people would think of you if they were to google your google history....clearly, just a part of sensationalism pushed by the media.

The media People just reported what was published by the BEA (French Authorities). And the BEA is required by law to make evidence public.


Proof it is not, but amazing evidence it is
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Old 07.05.2015, 01:44
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Seems he did some dry runs on the outbound flight:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32604552

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Failure to follow Air Traffic Control commands is illegal if the co-pilot did not inform the ATC and he had no overriding safety reason for the change.
I assume the changes he made during the dry runs did not show up on the ATC tracking systems?
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The media People just reported what was published by the BEA (French Authorities). And the BEA is required by law to make evidence public.


Proof it is not, but amazing evidence it is
This is your best post so far!
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Old 07.05.2015, 01:52
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Failure to follow Air Traffic Control commands is illegal if the co-pilot did not inform the ATC and he had no overriding safety reason for the change.
I assume the changes he made during the dry runs did not show up on the ATC tracking systems?
Nope. He was troubled, but not stupid.
Did it during the normal descent.
The pilot, ATC and everybody else didn't suspect a thing.
Obviously, else the pilot wouldn't have left for the loo on the return-flight...

I suspect, he must have gone through this and mentally practiced it a lot of times before.

The whole thing reminds me a bit of a Dean Koontz novel I read a couple of years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_Survivor_(novel)
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

I know it's like resurrecting an old thread but there's an update that revealed all medical reports and doctors notes consistently issued to the pilot weeks prior the infamous flight.

Germanwings crash: Pilot confidentiality 'should be relaxed'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35797065
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Old 13.03.2016, 16:52
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Sorry to whoever is offended by this, but this would have been enough of a red flag for me, both as the potential employer and as the trainee pilot.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Yeah, it's a bit puzzling how somebody like him was given a license.
It looks like his depression was often triggered by "stress".
As if the job of a pilot isn't stressful to begin with...

FYI: if you're taking meds against epilepsy you are actually discouraged from driving a car. The license isn't suspended per-se, but they tell you not to drive.
So, how can anyone under the influence of strong ataractics be allowed to handle the throttle?
It looks like some of the relatives are going to take Lufthansa in front of a US court.
Lawyers will have a field-day cross-examining the brass...
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Sorry to whoever is offended by this, but this would have been enough of a red flag for me, both as the potential employer and as the trainee pilot.
There were some rumours ongoing that the airlines tried to frame the pilot to cover up for their own incompetence.

With this latest news revealed, it's not any better because it shows further incompetence of the doctors/airlines who should be responsible for screening candidates for pilots. This part clearly shows negligence:

Lubitz medical visits weeks leading up to crash:

17 February: Doctor issues eight-day sick note not forwarded to Germanwings; second doctor refers Lubitz to psychotherapist and psychiatrist for outpatient treatment of psychosomatic disorder and anxiety disorder

22 February: Second doctor issues sick note for three days

9 March: Third doctor issues sick note, end date unknown, not forwarded to Germanwings

10 March: Second doctor refers Lubitz for psychiatric hospital treatment due to possible psychosis

12 March: Second doctor issues sick note for 19 days, not forwarded to Germanwings

18 March: Fourth doctor issues sick note for five days
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Not sure it would amount to negligence on the part of the airline. That would largely depend on the nature of the 'severe depression' that the airline have acknowledged during training. It appears that they were not aware of the ongoing situation owing to doctor / patient confidentiality.


Besides the incredibly selfish acts of the pilot even pursuing a career which he wasn't mentally suited for, I find it astonishing that he was allowed to complete the course, as in many similar industries he would have been told to leave.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Just like any physical illness, if the pilot has a mental illness impacting his ability to fly, then the airline should know, and take action. If the guy were a poorly controlled diabetic, I imagine he would not fly. Likewise, a poorly controlled case of anxiety or depression should raise a red flag.

If parity existed between physical and mental illnesses, then it wouldn't be any more problematic to report a mental illness than a physical one.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

There's a large campaign in the UK at the moment for that parity to be established, but until then, mental illnesses are still stigmatised.

Makes me wonder how he slipped through the net of the airline's staff psychologists. If he were Qantas crew, he'd have been grounded long ago.
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There's a large campaign in the UK at the moment for that parity to be established, but until then, mental illnesses are still stigmatised.

Makes me wonder how he slipped through the net of the airline's staff psychologists. If he were Qantas crew, he'd have been grounded long ago.
They grounded him - during his training.
He went into treatment and got a doctor's note saying "It's OK now" and Lufthansa accepted that, apparently.
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It looks like some of the relatives are going to take Lufthansa in front of a US court.
Why?

A German, flying a German plane, over France, what has the US to do with anything here?

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Why?

A German, flying a German plane, over France, what has the US to do with anything here?

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Bigger payouts?
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Not that I really like that approach - but MNCs like to move labor to the place where it's cheapest.
So, I take a certain (minimal) satisfaction in people moving lawsuits against said MNCs to places where it's most expensive.
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