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Old 13.03.2016, 19:43
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Bigger payouts?
;-)

Not that I really like that approach - but MNCs like to move labor to the place where it's cheapest.
So, I take a certain (minimal) satisfaction in people moving lawsuits against said MNCs to places where it's most expensive.
As far as I know it's not possible to shift a lawsuit to just anywhere. There has to be grounds for it to be heard in that particular country. And anyway, they look like getting plenty.

"Compensation[edit]
Germanwings' parent company Lufthansa offered victims' families an initial aid payment of up to €50,000, separate from any legally-required compensation for the disaster. Elmar Giemulla, a professor of aviation law at the Technical University of Berlin quoted by the Rheinische Post, said he expected the airline would pay €10–30 million in compensation. The Montreal Convention sets a per-victim cap of €143,000 in the event an airline is held liable, unless negligence can be proved.[149][150] Insurance specialists said although co-pilot Andreas Lubitz hid a serious illness from his employer and deliberately crashed the passenger aircraft, these facts would not affect the issue of compensation nor be applicable to the exclusion clause in Lufthansa's insurance policy.[149] Lufthansa's insurance company set aside US$300 million (€280 million) for financial compensation to victims' families and for the cost of the aircraft.[151][152]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...5#Compensation
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There's a large campaign in the UK at the moment for that parity to be established, but until then, mental illnesses are still stigmatised.

It will take more than that to eliminate stigma, unfortunately. And then there is the rest of the world....
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Old 13.04.2016, 23:39
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

It seems like it won't end up without a lawsuit ...

Families of those killed when the co-pilot of a Germanwings jet crashed it into the French Alps are suing the US flight school where he was trained.

Germanwings crash: Families of victims sue US flight school
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36040676
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Old 13.04.2016, 23:45
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It seems like it won't end up without a lawsuit ...

Families of those killed when the co-pilot of a Germanwings jet crashed it into the French Alps are suing the US flight school where he was trained.

Germanwings crash: Families of victims sue US flight school
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36040676
So, a German, flying a German plane, in Europe, murders a bunch of Germans, and they make a lawsuit in the US?

I hope they lose, and big time, and have to pay all costs, this is disgusting.

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Old 13.04.2016, 23:53
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So, a German, flying a German plane, in Europe, murders a bunch of Germans, and they make a lawsuit in the US?

I hope they lose, and big time, and have to pay all costs, this is disgusting.

Tom
Lawyers assisting families of bereaved ones figured that they can get bigger payouts for them and higher commissions from lawsuits costs for themselves all the same? They are trying to pull off a biggie ...

A suit in the US offers a potentially higher payout that one in Europe, but analysts queried whether it would succeed given the crash happened overseas and did not involve an American airline.
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Old 14.04.2016, 00:06
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Does it really stand any chance of success though...

Grief makes people do incredible things, but I fear this lawsuit may just prolong and intensify their agony. There have been so many failings in this case, and they're all incredibly difficult to rectify without changing laws, particularly regarding patient / doctor confidentiality, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

In the particular flight booking room where I worked, a siren goes off several times a day to alert the staff to a flight cancellation, crash, etc... When you hear "Flight down" everyone bristles and is glued to the bank of tv screens along the front wall of the room, which are permanently tuned into several major International news networks.

Because a lot of former cabin crew and airline staff work in the Business travel industry, it was less than an hour before I heard a colleague say 'Pilot suicide...Just like Egyptair.'. At the time, I wasn't aware that it's a known issue, but many former airline staff can rattle off the flights that have previously been lost because of this.

I fail to see what the industry can do except make all medical examinations inhouse and the results freely available to management.
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Old 14.04.2016, 00:33
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

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Does it really stand any chance of success though...

Grief makes people do incredible things, but I fear this lawsuit may just prolong and intensify their agony. There have been so many failings in this case, and they're all incredibly difficult to rectify without changing laws, particularly regarding patient / doctor confidentiality, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

In the particular flight booking room where I worked, a siren goes off several times a day to alert the staff to a flight cancellation, crash, etc... When you hear "Flight down" everyone bristles and is glued to the bank of tv screens along the front wall of the room, which are permanently tuned into several major International news networks.

Because a lot of former cabin crew and airline staff work in the Business travel industry, it was less than an hour before I heard a colleague say 'Pilot suicide...Just like Egyptair.'. At the time, I wasn't aware that it's a known issue, but many former airline staff can rattle off the flights that have previously been lost because of this.

I fail to see what the industry can do except make all medical examinations inhouse and the results freely available to management.
One can punish people for what they have done but it is almost impossible to constrain people for what they might do?
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Old 14.04.2016, 19:26
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One can punish people for what they have done but it is almost impossible to constrain people for what they might do?
I know for a fact Qantas do it. Used to have a mate who was a purser for Qantas back in the early 1990's. Back then, there was a spate of flights being buzzed by unidentified aircraft, in the quite literal sense of the word and nothing relating to little green men...probably recently developed military aircraft, etc..

My mate was the on a flight that was buzzed and the pilot logged it. One of his crew had previously been a member of a crew that had reported a similar incidence. He was grounded and sent to the staff psychologist.

A few months later, an entire crew were grounded and sent to staff psychologist for logging a second sighting.
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Old 24.03.2017, 14:45
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Of course, it's his son but the evidence is quite literally overwhelming. Lubitz did a dry run on the outbound Barcelona flight (setting autopilot to 100 ft), and then he did it for real on the doomed inbound journey. Plus the fact that his doctor wrote him off as sick in the weeks before, which meant he shouldn't have even been flying. He would do more to respect his son's memory by remaining silent.

Germanwings crash families angered by pilot's father


Guenter Lubitz said he believed his son was innocent

Families of victims of the Germanwings airline crash have criticised the father of the co-pilot for claiming on the second anniversary of the crash that his son was not responsible.
German prosecutors concluded in January that Andreas Lubitz, 27, was suicidal and flew the plane into the ground, killing all 150 people on board.
But Guenter Lubitz said on Friday his son was not depressed at the time.
Family members criticised the timing of his announcement.

His news conference fell on the same day that relatives are commemorating two years since the death of their loved ones.

Mr Lubitz's statement is the first public statement by a member of Lubitz's close family since the 2015 disaster.

He said: "Up to now, everyone has believed the theory of a co-pilot who was depressed for a long time, who deliberately crashed his plane into a mountain in a planned act. We are convinced this is false."


Mr Lubitz has been working with journalist Tim van Beveren

Mr Lubitz, 63, said he has been working alongside a journalist, Tim van Beveren, who he called "an internationally recognised aerospace expert".
The two men plan to introduce a theory that a carbon monoxide leak in the cabin disabled Lubitz while the captain was locked out of the cockpit.
The cockpit voice recorder aboard the aircraft captured the sound of the captain attempting to break through the door with an axe as the aircraft plummeted to earth.

Elmar Giemulla, a lawyer for several of the victims' families, said Mr Lubitz's actions were "irresponsible".
"I imagine that Mr Lubitz wants to promote a theory that would absolve his son of any responsibility," he told Germany's Rheinische Post newspaper.
Mr Lubitz told Die Zeit magazine: "Our son was a very responsible person. He had no reason to plan and carry out a suicide, and certainly not to take another 149 innocent people with him."
About 500 people are expected to travel to the French Alpine town of Digne-les-Bains for a church service to commemorate the victims.

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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

His father said that his son was not depressed. Guess that makes it murder then?


Obviously his father claims that his son was not at fault. Must be hard for the parents, whatever happened.
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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

I hear Germans have a hard time admitting fault.


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Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

"Mr Lubitz, 63, said he has been working alongside a journalist, Tim van Beveren, who he called "an internationally recognised aerospace expert".
The two men plan to introduce a theory that a carbon monoxide leak in the cabin disabled Lubitz while the captain was locked out of the cockpit.
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