Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 24.03.2015, 12:49
mirfield's Avatar
Moddy Wellies
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 8,716
Groaned at 54 Times in 48 Posts
Thanked 9,623 Times in 3,557 Posts
mirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond repute
GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Seems a GermanWings Airbus 320 travelling from Barcelona to Dusseldorf has gone down near Digne in the French Alps.

142 passengers and 6 flight and cabin crew on board.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank mirfield for this useful post:
  #2  
Old 24.03.2015, 12:51
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne

Here's where it went down.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/ai...-aipx/#5d42675
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 24.03.2015, 13:08
hannah'sauntie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Baden
Posts: 4,755
Groaned at 24 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 6,648 Times in 3,007 Posts
hannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond reputehannah'sauntie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: German Wings A320 down over France

Oh no.

Thinking of all those on board, I know it is unlikely but I hope there are survivors.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 24.03.2015, 13:08
3Wishes's Avatar
Moderately Amused
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bern area
Posts: 10,825
Groaned at 81 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 18,113 Times in 8,102 Posts
3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: German Wings A320 down over France

According to CNN, Hollande has already stated no survivors.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 24.03.2015, 13:10
MusicChick's Avatar
modified, reprogrammed and doctored²
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 16,014
Groaned at 340 Times in 235 Posts
Thanked 18,500 Times in 9,620 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: German Wings A320 down over France

Yikes, this is terrible..my thoughts to their nearest ones.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 24.03.2015, 13:11
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 8,086
Groaned at 486 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 14,715 Times in 5,780 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: German Wings A320 down over France

feck, anyone on the ground hurt? sky news have initially said it came down in the town??
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 24.03.2015, 13:11
Castro's Avatar
à la mod
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: ZG
Posts: 5,439
Groaned at 114 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 16,177 Times in 5,159 Posts
Castro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond repute
Re: German Wings A320 down over France

That feels very close to home, both geographically and the fact that I've flown Germanwings several times in the last few years.

RIP to all on board.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Castro for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 24.03.2015, 13:20
Slaphead's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,230
Groaned at 34 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 9,408 Times in 2,870 Posts
Slaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond repute
Re: German Wings A320 down over France

Quote:
View Post
That feels very close to home, both geographically and the fact that I've flown Germanwings several times in the last few years.

RIP to all on board.
Even closer to home when you realise that particular aircraft flew out of Zürich twice last week.

That's some pretty awful terrain for any rescue/recovery mission.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Slaphead for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 24.03.2015, 13:46
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ZH
Posts: 5,328
Groaned at 58 Times in 48 Posts
Thanked 2,696 Times in 1,612 Posts
SOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond reputeSOBEIT has a reputation beyond repute
Re: German Wings A320 down over France

Quote:
View Post
That feels very close to home, both geographically and the fact that I've flown Germanwings several times in the last few years.

RIP to all on board.
You are probably right that none of the people on board will survive but miracles do happen. Let's not predict too early.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24.03.2015, 17:14
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Wädenswil
Posts: 25
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
a-moreno has no particular reputation at present
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

French authorities announced 42 spanish in the plain, really sad. As well for the rest of the passengers. I read that the plane was built on 1990 one of the oldest planes in this lowcost company. My point is, a plane from the 90s with 25years is not enough old to keep flying? Would this happen in a new aircraft??
All my thoughts for the families RIP
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 25.03.2015, 18:09
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,139
Groaned at 219 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,636 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

all commercial airliners have a GPWS ground proximity warning system data base, this is updated often and we have to reload into the GPWS computer.

on the 320 series the autopilot can be engaged 5 seconds after weight off wheels and this is quite normal.

A few months ago EASA issued an emergency airworthiness directive to all airbus operators. An incident occurred where an AOA vane became stuck and the aircraft started a decent as per the alpha floor protection flight rules. The crew managed to recover the AC after some minutes. This is one of the more plausible theories.

If there is panic in the cockpit it is not too surprising communication was not made.

Until an initial report comes out it is all theories.
__________________
Wear your groans and negative rep with pride.

neg rep is in the top RH corner please.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank rob1 for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 25.03.2015, 19:12
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,139
Groaned at 219 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,636 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Nothing alleged about it.. plus the crew didn't have a clue and the pilot ignored weather warnings.

Most common cause of crashes is 'controlled flight into terrain' aka pilot error
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank rob1 for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 25.03.2015, 20:04
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,139
Groaned at 219 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,636 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

German wings uses AMOS as a maintenance and task planning tool. The authorities have full access to this and it is 'locked' if there is an incident.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank rob1 for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 25.03.2015, 20:54
Hoppy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland US
Posts: 449
Groaned at 20 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 361 Times in 228 Posts
Hoppy has a reputation beyond reputeHoppy has a reputation beyond reputeHoppy has a reputation beyond reputeHoppy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

I can't begin to imagine the grief of those parents. I would find the pain unendurable. I just hope that they can find some solace in each other.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Hoppy for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 26.03.2015, 00:33
Pixie B's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: SZ
Posts: 1,036
Groaned at 14 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 842 Times in 348 Posts
Pixie B has a reputation beyond reputePixie B has a reputation beyond reputePixie B has a reputation beyond reputePixie B has a reputation beyond reputePixie B has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Very tragic, so sad. Can't imagine what the loved ones of the deceased going through. Felt close to home to me as my husband took two lufthansa flights yesterday, one before it happened and one after and the one after was long haul I was checking my app all day and felt such utter relief when I saw that his plane had landed safely. I'd sent a text that morning wishing him a safe journey etc, probably at around the same time as all the loved ones who texted the people on board that plane, a very sobering feeling of being one of the lucky ones
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Pixie B for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 26.03.2015, 05:18
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,023
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

In view of News about the second Pilot not able to return to the Cockpit as the door was closed and nobody opened, the Crash of EgyptAir just off New York in spring 2000 comes to mind, which hints towards terrorism. Of course all unconfirmed rumours and so on, but seriously irritating


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/25/eu...ain/index.html


http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...duncancampbell
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Wollishofener for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 26.03.2015, 06:50
Hoppy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland US
Posts: 449
Groaned at 20 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 361 Times in 228 Posts
Hoppy has a reputation beyond reputeHoppy has a reputation beyond reputeHoppy has a reputation beyond reputeHoppy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Yes, I heard it was reported by NYT as coming from a senior military person who heard the tapes, but so far it is unconfirmed.

I hope it is confirmed because then preventative measures can be enforced; like cameras in the cockpit. It is standard practice that a flight attendant be present when a pilot has to leave, so where was the flight attendant?

The French authorities are in charge, Airbus is a French-based company. Previously the French were found guilty of switching out the flight data recorder after the Paris Air Show crash. Previous to the NYT report on this crash, the French authorities said that they could not yet make out what was on the voice recorder.

Also, the Black box has been found, but the memory card is missing. I heard that there should be another box, but that is missing.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users groan at Hoppy for this post:
  #18  
Old 26.03.2015, 08:28
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Quote:
View Post
In view of News about the second Pilot not able to return to the Cockpit as the door was closed and nobody opened, the Crash of EgyptAir just off New York in spring 2000 comes to mind, which hints towards terrorism. Of course all unconfirmed rumours and so on, but seriously irritating


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/25/eu...ain/index.html


http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...duncancampbell
This information poses far more questions now as to whether something happened to the remaining pilot in control, or whether it was deliberate. The description that the other pilot was knocking on the door, which then got louder until he was trying to smash the door down, sound exceptionally eerie.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 26.03.2015, 09:12
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,222
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,353 Times in 3,363 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Quote:
View Post
..
..the Crash of EgyptAir just off New York in spring 2000 comes to mind, which hints towards terrorism...
Read into that one...terrorism it was not (unless you believe the co-pilot was "got" by a terrorist group), even if the official reports were subject to extreme political interference and prevented from reaching the conclusion all the investigators clearly believed in.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 26.03.2015, 06:57
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,139
Groaned at 219 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,636 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: GermanWings A320 Down Near Digne, French Alps

Standard practice? ?? Since when and which airline.. certainly in none that I have worked for. The crash with the "swapped" recorders was at habsheim mulhouse not Paris and was doe to.pilot error, a big head look.at me I'm brilliant type from all accounts... like the guy on AF477.

There are only 2 recorders.. cockpit voice and the DFDR for all instrumentation, signals etc. The CVR has been found while the search for the DFDR continues.

100000% forget any form of video or permanent voice recording in the cockpit.. it will never happen as pilots will reject any suggestion of it. Even the CVR has a manual erase button so they can delete the conversation if they want.
__________________
Wear your groans and negative rep with pride.

neg rep is in the top RH corner please.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank rob1 for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
airbus a320, crash, france, german wings




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case Deep Purple Swiss politics/news 55 07.09.2020 12:55
Desalpes - St-Cergue [Cows coming down from the Alps; various links] smackerjack Travel/day trips/free time 24 27.10.2017 19:15
6 climbers found dead in French Alps Louis Wu International affairs/politics 1 26.06.2011 16:10
Storage companies- French alps? Sophie RD Other/general 0 30.12.2007 20:44


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:02.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0