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Old 17.06.2015, 15:54
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

OMG just read about this in The Local! Sounds awful.
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Have just read a *most* bitter article in Le Monde http://mediateur.blog.lemonde.fr/201...te-de-leurope/ (in French, naturally)
I love the last sentence, about the French Ambassador to Brussels going, and to the author that would even be too much and if it was him, he would send his chef.

Three years earlier at the battle of Salamanca in northern Spain, Marshall Marmont was facing Wellington (who's forces held the city). They were each on the small hills of Arapiles facing each other with their troops in position before them, they were like 2 chess players.

Before battle commenced Marshal Marmont sent his chef through the French, then the English lines and he walked up to Wellington and asked permission to enter the city so he could prepare his masters supper for that evening. The Duke of Wellington gave him that permission.

Needless to say, Wellington had a good dinner that evening
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Old 17.06.2015, 16:12
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Have just read a *most* bitter article in Le Monde http://mediateur.blog.lemonde.fr/201...te-de-leurope/ (in French, naturally)
He does not mention that after the battle, and the exile of Napoleon, the living royal descendant Henri Comte de Chambord was put back on the throne for a short time.

I like the last part: The more I think about it the more I think Waterloo was not just
the defeat of a man, or a country, but a catastrophe on the scale
affecting the European continent as a whole. How, under these conditions,
did they come to organize this charade?

I welcome, in any case, that no member of the French Government
will celebrate June 18. I heard that France would be represented by its ambassador in Brussels. It's still too much. If I were him, I would call in sick and I would send my cook.
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

Do I think the French should have been more gracious about the Waterloo bicentennial? Yes. Their German neighbours publicly say that D-Day was not only the beginning of the liberation of France but also Germany. They're right. Napoleon may have been a "nicer" tyrant than Hitler, but make no mistake---he was a tyrant. The beginning of France as a modern democracy began in 1815.

Still, considering the official reaction of my government and the media to the 40th anniversary of the fall of Saigon, I cannot condemn the French.
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

On a lighter note , poor Napoleon got into more trouble yesterday!

http://www.lalibre.be/light/insolite...70f340d7345630
Another only in Belgium moment!
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OMG just read about this in The Local! Sounds awful.
You mean about the battle of Waterloo?

That sounds like a joke I know...I'll try to adapt it:

"Why are you so angry, adrianlondon?"
"Because of those dam' French! Haven't you heard of the battle of Waterloo?"
"But that was 200 hundred of years ago...."
"I know, but I found out about it only today!!!"


(the original joke is from back home and implies two neighbouring countries )
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On a lighter note , poor Napoleon got into more trouble yesterday!

http://www.lalibre.be/light/insolite...70f340d7345630
Another only in Belgium moment!
A friend sent me a photo of that. She said it was really funny.
Did you go with the scouts to do the 'cleaning' after Prince Charles' visit? It looked really cool especially for the kids.
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

I didn't go with the Scouts sadly as I had to pick my daughter up from the airport - returning from 1st year of university 😁

It did look cool though, am rather worried about the parking chaos later though
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Old 19.06.2015, 08:06
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I didn't go with the Scouts sadly as I had to pick my daughter up from the airport - returning from 1st year of university 😁

It did look cool though, am rather worried about the parking chaos later though
Most people I know are avoiding the area like the plague today unless they absolutely need to be there.
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

Always thought it a shame that the Eurostar terminus in London for trains from Paris was moved from Waterloo to St Pancras
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Old 19.06.2015, 09:08
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Do I think the French should have been more gracious about the Waterloo bicentennial? Yes. Their German neighbours publicly say that D-Day was not only the beginning of the liberation of France but also Germany. They're right. Napoleon may have been a "nicer" tyrant than Hitler, but make no mistake---he was a tyrant. The beginning of France as a modern democracy began in 1815.
Personally I think the Germans do bend over backwards too much. The right way is somewhere between the two.

I don't think even one of the men who landed on the Normandy beaches was thinking "I'm going to liberate those poor Germans". They were probably more thinking "Let's get the barstewards". The Germans tend to bandy the word liberation too freely when it might be more appropriate to speak of defeat.

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Always thought it a shame that the Eurostar terminus in London for trains from Paris was moved from Waterloo to St Pancras
I would like to propose renaming it Agincourt.

The name would fit well with the gothic architecture.

On the topic of Waterloo station, apparently Churchill's funeral train left from Waterloo rather than the more logical Paddington (the burial being in Oxfordshire) because he wanted de Gaulle to have to set foot in that station

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Old 19.06.2015, 09:33
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Whatever next?
In a hundred years time we'll be claiming it as a great Irish victory, sure wasn't Wellington a Dublin man anyways!

"Just how many Irish fought at the Battle of Waterloo?"
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

No wonder Napoleon called them Amazons.
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

With the Brits loving nothing more than to revel in victories from their ancient past, even though they needed the Germans to get the job done in 1815, will they also be accommodating towards the French in 51 years?

October 14, 2066 marks a thousand years of William and his merry crew navigating the Channel and sticking it to Harald as one of the made up kings trying to grab the crown in a non-democratic way. Looking at the death toll, the Normans put in quite an effective military plan together and did this without any special relationships (the New World had yet to be discovered).

I hope the Post Office issues some anniversary "1000 year losers" stamp sets and the mint will have some good sovereigns issued in French.

If anyone reading this has been offended because their great (223 generation) grandfather took an arrow to the gut then it's probably time to move on.
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If anyone reading this has been offended because their great (223 generation) grandfather took an arrow to the gut then it's probably time to move on.
Sod that - there are still some smarting over their loss at the Battle of Mag Itha
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With the Brits loving nothing more than to revel in victories from their ancient past, even though they needed the Germans to get the job done in 1815, will they also be accommodating towards the French in 51 years?

October 14, 2066 marks a thousand years of William and his merry crew navigating the Channel and sticking it to Harald as one of the made up kings trying to grab the crown in a non-democratic way. Looking at the death toll, the Normans put in quite an effective military plan together and did this without any special relationships (the New World had yet to be discovered).

I hope the Post Office issues some anniversary "1000 year losers" stamp sets and the mint will have some good sovereigns issued in French.
ahem

in 1966 we had these





How did the French remember Waterloo again? Or Agincourt?

Who are the bad losers?
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Personally I think the Germans do bend over backwards too much.
You really shouldn't spend so much time watching those kind of movies
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Old 19.06.2015, 11:33
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Re: Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815

I've a feeling my brother is in Waterloo this weekend for the war games. He and his mates built a functioning cannon and belong to a re-enactment society.
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...2066 marks a thousand years of William and his merry crew navigating the Channel... blah blah
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etc. etc.
Fail (no pun intended)

Seeing as the Normans became the rulers of England, they in effect became the writers of our history and therefore for them, and subsequently us, 1066 was a victory and not a failure.

You know what they say about those who win writing history and all that...

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You know what they say about those who win writing history and all that...

I forgot. Who was it that won at Waterloo?

What was that about the victors writing history again?

Or is there some special clause that excempts the French?
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