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Another year, another Labour leadership contest. Labour are imploding, they're finished. Done.

Who would have thought this possible only a couple of years ago? Ed Milliband in his ambition has managed to screw up the party forever.

Corbyn will be on the ballot paper it was decided last night. Meanwhile the competition in Angela Eagle receives bricks through her windows and death threats from his looney supporters.

I can see no way forward for Labour, the party will split now. The Blairites will either join with the Liberal democrats and kick out the Liberals or form a new party. Labour Democrats anyone? Leaving Corbyn and his fringe nutters and Guardianistas to carry on regardless.

Just read the comments under the article below. Utterly hilarious.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...arty-rules-nec
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Another year, another Labour leadership contest. Labour are imploding, they're finished. Done.

Who would have thought this possible only a couple of years ago? Ed Milliband in his ambition has managed to screw up the party forever.

Corbyn will be on the ballot paper it was decided last night. Meanwhile the competition in Angela Eagle receives bricks through her windows and death threats from his looney supporters.

I can see no way forward for Labour, the party will split now. The Blairites will either join with the Liberal democrats and kick out the Liberals or form a new party. Labour Democrats anyone? Leaving Corbyn and his fringe nutters and Guardianistas to carry on regardless.

Just read the comments under the article below. Utterly hilarious.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...arty-rules-nec
If Corbyn is again elected, I wonder if we'll see some of the more Blairite MPs considering going one step further and crossing the floor completely? I see May as being a more centrist and inclusive leader than Cameron and might well attract the more centre-leaning Labour MPs. It would, admittedly, be parliamentary suicide for such MPs, given Corbyn's support amongst the Labour rank and file.
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Has there ever been such a show of stubbornness, self serving and complete disregard for one's party?
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If Corbyn is again elected, I wonder if we'll see some of the more Blairite MPs considering going one step further and crossing the floor completely? I see May as being a more centrist and inclusive leader than Cameron and might well attract the more centre-leaning Labour MPs. It would, admittedly, be parliamentary suicide for such MPs, given Corbyn's support amongst the Labour rank and file.
Can't see that ever happening. Like you say, political suicide. They're supposed to be the opposition after all.

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Has there ever been such a show of stubbornness, self serving and complete disregard for one's party?
The thing is though, Corbyn is absolutely right to stand his ground. He has a clear mandate from rank and file Labour party members. If the PLP can't accept that then they should go off and form their own party.
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Has there ever been such a show of stubbornness, self serving and complete disregard for one's party?
Depends whether "one's party" is the Parliamentary party or the membership as a whole. 60% of the latter voted for him and indications seem to be will do so again unless the NEC's attempts to gerrymander the vote succeed.
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Anyone who thinks Angela Eagle has a better chance is obviously deluded. Her voting record is abysmal.. voted for war in Iraq and then voted to block investigations into the war no less than 4 times. She then voted for air strikes in Syria and is fond of parroting the line that all this belligerency makes Britain safer. She is pro snooping and increased surveillance and the icing on the cake is the fact that she voted in favour of tuition fees.

All the above is the diametric opposite of Jeremy Corbyn, so I cannot see how all those hundreds of thousands of new Labour party members (many of them young) will stick around if she manages to usurp power from him. I will personally tear up my Labour membership card so thats one less member.
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Another year, another Labour leadership contest. Labour are imploding, they're finished. Done.
How so? The Conservative's poll lead over labour is only in the single digits. As Theresa May seems to tack to the Left with a very liberal social program, she is also driving a lot of Tories over to UKIP. A couple of bungles, and that lead can easily dissipate. A general election determines specific seats, and not particularly a party's leader. Seems Corbyn does have a viable shot at PM. Who knows what might happen in 4 years.

Theresa May can force Corbyn's hand more and more, such us putting Trident up for a vote. But she can also bungle the whole thing herself, and end up with the People's Socialist Republic of England. Conceivable?
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How so? The Conservative's poll lead over labour is only in the single digits. As Theresa May seems to tack to the Left with a very liberal social program, she is also driving a lot of Tories over to UKIP. A couple of bungles, and that lead can easily dissipate. A general election determines specific seats, and not particularly a party's leader. Seems Corbyn does have a viable shot at PM. Who knows what might happen in 4 years.

Theresa May can force Corbyn's hand more and more, such us putting Trident up for a vote. But she can also bungle the whole thing herself, and end up with the People's Socialist Republic of England. Conceivable?
In a word no. Corbyn may enjoy large support from Party Members, but to the wider UK population he's a joke. His view of Britain doesn't echo with traditional working classes, nor center voters that kept Blair in for all those years.

If May doesn't work out then the Tories will find another leader. It only took 17 days this time. Which is a shame as I was hoping Brexit would cause more damage. Labour votes on the other hand will be lost to Lib Dems and UKIP whilst Corbyn in charge.

May doesn't need to do anything, she needn't call a snap election either. As long as Corbyn is leader he'll just do more and more damage.
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How so? The Conservative's poll lead over labour is only in the single digits. As Theresa May seems to tack to the Left with a very liberal social program, she is also driving a lot of Tories over to UKIP. A couple of bungles, and that lead can easily dissipate. A general election determines specific seats, and not particularly a party's leader. Seems Corbyn does have a viable shot at PM. Who knows what might happen in 4 years.

Theresa May can force Corbyn's hand more and more, such us putting Trident up for a vote. But she can also bungle the whole thing herself, and end up with the People's Socialist Republic of England. Conceivable?
I don't know who you think Thersa May is, but leftwing she is most certainly not. This is a woman who plays to the right wing populist press and speaks in Daily Express soundbites...

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We all know the stories about the Human Rights Act... about the illegal immigrant who cannot be deported because, and I am not making this up, he had a pet cat.
Clearly she was making it up because it turned out to be a complete fabrication, but it was lapped up by conference attendees as yet another example of evil immigrants playing the system.

She is a dangerous woman, and if you're thinking about her REMAIN vote, it was only to curry favour with the leadership. She is as BREXIT as Nigel Farage, and her lacklustre campaigning is proof of that.
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she needn't call a snap election either.
Is she allowed to? Was the legislation for mandatory 5 year term just for the coalition?
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Is she allowed to? Was the legislation for mandatory 5 year term just for the coalition?
She could call one with two thirds house majority. With all opposition parties calling for an election this shouldn't be difficult. Either that or with Tory majority she could repeal the Fixed Term Parliament Act.
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I don't know who you think Thersa May is, but leftwing she is most certainly not. This is a woman who plays to the right wing populist press and speaks in Daily Express soundbites...
The vision she laid out sounded like a Labour manifesto for social change. If that isn't Left enough, I'd be curious to glean how much further left Corbyn and Labour really is. Perhaps its rhetorical ploy, but its silly to set a bar for herself she can't meet.
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The vision she laid out sounded like a Labour manifesto for social change. If that isn't Left enough, I'd be curious to glean how much further left Corbyn and Labour really is. Perhaps its rhetorical ploy, but its silly to set a bar for herself she can't meet.
I think May is pretty right wing but has the ability to appeal to the centre and sell right wing points of view to them by mixing in concepts and arguments that resonate with the centre and even left of centre.

Corbyn on the other hand is pretty far left and hasn't the faintest idea how to appeal to the centre ground, or even to large chunks of his own party. Imagine a left wing version of Trump but without the charisma, and a more intellectualized tone.

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Is she allowed to? Was the legislation for mandatory 5 year term just for the coalition?
No and still applies. But any legislation can be repealed....
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

The Labour party is obviously divided - Corbyn has the support of the "3 quidders" who signed up online but are yet to vote in real elections, while the majority of Labour MPs (who were voted in based on much more centrist agenda) are against him.

Labour in Scotland is pretty much gone - you could have all Scottish labour MPs in a Smart and pick up hitchhikers.

The Tories should call an election now and use the confusion to their advantage.
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The Tories should call an election now and use the confusion to their advantage.
Because what a party should do is what is best for it and not what is best for the country?
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Because what a party should do is what is best for it and not what is best for the country?
Why would they suddenly start doing that now?
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Because what a party should do is what is best for it and not what is best for the country?
Surely at least some Tories think that a Conservative PM would be better for the UK rather than having a far left PM.
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Surely at least some Tories think that a Conservative PM would be better for the UK rather than having a far left PM.
What the best choice? A Tory PM or an antisemite Labour one
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Owen Smith has joined the race!
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