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Jeremy Corbyn 11 35.48%
Owen Smith 7 22.58%
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Old 21.07.2016, 00:22
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

Seems likely that the Labour party will elect a leader that most elected MPs do not trust,; you could not invent such situations!

If they deselect these MPs then likely other parties will win any subsequent elections; Pyrrhic victories all round. Cheers and pass the port!
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Old 21.07.2016, 02:22
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Seems likely that the Labour party will elect a leader that most elected MPs do not trust,; you could not invent such situations!
I'm totally sickened by the whole situation and the juvenile vitriol smothering social media tonight. The web of lies is astonishing. I've even seen people denying Corbyn had anything to do with the 1988 coup attempt, and also denying that Kinnock sought and secured the votes needed to stay on the ballot paper.


To those of us old enough to remember that debarcle, the way the facts of the matter are being rewritten is despicable.


The only thing that's worse is the navel gazing, myopic beatification of a man I would never vote for in a million years, and who I believe is totally incapable of leading the UK at any time, never mind when we have so many complex challenges internationally.


After making only 11 appearances in the 6 weeks in support the Remain campaign, and not flying back from India for a crucial party meeting, I find Corbyn negligent and unfit to lead.


The way I feel right now, the UK is going to hell in a hand cart, and for political and personal reasons, it can do one!
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Old 21.07.2016, 10:44
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The Labour party is in a tailspin because it is looking at the wrong set of problems. There is undue focus on its leadership. Whereas the real problem with Labour is that it is ideologically bankrupt. It does not have any real useful and constructive ideas to offer at the moment.

Not that I want to help it along. But to fix it, it needs to work the other way around. It needs to first identify what the hell it is about. Identify what positive contributions it can offer the UK, and then only then identify what kind of leadership is fit to lead it from there.
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After making only 11 appearances in the 6 weeks in support the Remain campaign, and not flying back from India for a crucial party meeting, I find Corbyn negligent and unfit to lead.

Do you know whether these appearances were for the Labour In campaign or the official Remain camapign? Given the BBC article below, I wonder if these appearances were for the official Remain campaign and if he had actually done more campaigning for Labour In. It also seems that 63% of Labour voters voted Remain, which compares favourably with 64% of SNP voters voting Remain, yet Nicola Sturgeon is seen as a strong leader.

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There was complete disinterest from the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in the campaign for Wales to remain in the EU, the campaign's director has said. Stewart Owadally, from Wales Stronger In Europe, said they were consistently left hanging when they called on Labour at a UK level. ...
In response, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "Stewart Owadally should realise that it was Stronger In that lost the campaign. "His campaign, where politicians across parties, shared platforms, failed to enthuse the electorate. "Jeremy Corbyn's Labour In campaign delivered two out of three Labour voters voting in, according to polls."

How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday… and why
Includes a bar chart showing that 63% of Labour voters voted Remain, and 64% of SNP voters voted Remain
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Old 21.07.2016, 13:39
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The Labour party is in a tailspin because it is looking at the wrong set of problems. There is undue focus on its leadership. Whereas the real problem with Labour is that it is ideologically bankrupt. It does not have any real useful and constructive ideas to offer at the moment.
You're partially right.

The johnny come lately members who claim to be 'grass roots', are a horrific bunch who would drag the party back to the grim days of the 1970's because they're too damned young to remember it!!!!

I was freakin' fuming last night seeing all the posts and articles damning Owen smith for his C.V. , and saying "Jeremy is one of us."
At least Smith has a C.V.! At least he's done a proper day's work in his life, unlike blessed St.Jeremy (always hated that name anyway) who got thrown off his uni course on the history of the trade unions for repeatedly arguing with the course tutors. How can you deny history, particularly when it's so short and well documented? This screams to me how arrogant the man is.


Corbyn is a middle class kid with high ideas that he is more principled than the rest of the populace. His brother, Piers (another working class name...Not!) is a climate change sceptic.

I'm with Neil Kinnock in the belief that Corbyn's vanity is astonishing. He makes Kim Kardashian look like a shrinking violet.


As a former trade union representative, and life long LibDem voter, my arguement with Labour has always been that they claim to have the full backing of the unions. By implication, this means that people other than Labour voters do not have the right to union representation in the workplace. That is morally and ethically wrong, and I had many arguements for refusing to stand and sing the Red Flag at union regional meetings.
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Corbyn is a middle class kid with high ideas that he is more principled than the rest of the populace. His brother, Piers (another working class name...Not!) is a climate change sceptic.
You can't argue Corbyn doesn't have principles, he did have a divorce with his wife over them afterall
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Old 21.07.2016, 13:55
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It also seems that 63% of Labour voters voted Remain, which compares favourably with 64% of SNP voters voting Remain, yet Nicola Sturgeon is seen as a strong leader.
Take London out of the equation, then look again at how the Labour strongholds voted.
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You can't argue Corbyn doesn't have principles, he did have a divorce with his wife over them afterall
I hadn't heard about that so did a quick Google and found an article about it. He's clearly a man of principle ("I am always right"?)! Shocking. If he'd do that to his son, what would he do to the country?!

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Take London out of the equation, then look again at how the Labour strongholds voted.
I see what you mean (it would be interesting to see figures for that). Do you think the London result had anything to do with Labour? Corbyn's Islington constituency voted 75% for Remain.
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I hadn't heard about that so did a quick Google and found an article about it. He's clearly a man of principle ("I am always right"?)! Shocking. If he'd do that to his son, what would he do to the country?!
Funny thing about this is that Corbyn benefited from a grammar school education (it just so happens I went to the same school), but is so indoctrinated by his own loony ideology that he'd have readily denied his own son the same education he enjoyed.

As a person, I actually respect Corbyn, he has principles, and for an MP is exceptionally honest. Does that mean I want him anywhere near running the country? HELL. NO.
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Old 21.07.2016, 15:56
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As a person, I actually respect Corbyn, he has principles, and for an MP is exceptionally honest. Does that mean I want him anywhere near running the country? HELL. NO.
He's the sort of person who definitely has a place in the Labour party. Somebody who has the conscience and sticks to his guns even when its unpopular and challenges people when they come too close to betraying what the party stands for. A modern day Tony Benn almost. But he shouldn't be given the actual leadership.
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Old 21.07.2016, 16:18
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

If I remember correctly, Corbyn won the party election last time after many Conservatives joined the party and paid £3 to enable them to vote for him. The Conservatives wanted a loony left winger as labour leader, as this would ensure that the undecided public would not vote for Labour in a general election.

The price has gone up now to £25 and it seems that there will again be many new members, probably voting to put Corbyn again in the leadership, and thus weaken the Labour party outlook. So history might be repeating itself, http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36851524

Some 183,541 people paid £25 to become registered supporters and qualify for a vote in the contest between existing leader Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith.
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Funny thing about this is that Corbyn benefited from a grammar school education (it just so happens I went to the same school), but is so indoctrinated by his own loony ideology that he'd have readily denied his own son the same education he enjoyed.

As a person, I actually respect Corbyn, he has principles, and for an MP is exceptionally honest. Does that mean I want him anywhere near running the country? HELL. NO.


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If I remember correctly, Corbyn won the party election last time after many Conservatives joined the party and paid £3 to enable them to vote for him. The Conservatives wanted a loony left winger as labour leader, as this would ensure that the undecided public would not vote for Labour in a general election.
Cheap investment for the Tories with their fingers in the till to remain in power.

Then again they managed to shoot themselves in the foot over the EU vote.

Until "real" people are MP's we won't see real changes.
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About £4.5 million extra in the Labour coffers isn't a bad day's work.

Champagne all round!

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About £4.5 million extra in the Labour coffers isn't a bad day's work.

Champagne all round!

They'll still manage to find a way to squander it all. See Labour Government 1997 to 2010 for details.
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He's the sort of person who definitely has a place in the Labour party. Somebody who has the conscience and sticks to his guns even when its unpopular and challenges people when they come too close to betraying what the party stands for. A modern day Tony Benn almost. But he shouldn't be given the actual leadership.
Stubborn and challenging with a white beard.... maybe he could have a special supporting role!

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May calls his bluff, then realises what a genocidal maniac she sounds like

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Poll reset (I think)
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Old 22.07.2016, 01:28
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Poll reset (I think)
We need a new poll since this isn't letting me vote for Corbyn (again)
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Old 22.07.2016, 01:44
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I wish Owen Jones was an MP and could throw his hat in the ring.
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