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Look at it another way, the shadow cabinet is a dress rehearsal for leadership and thats a good 4-5 years away. JC's only problem is that he is too damn polite, he'll need to toughen up for PM Questions.
A bit more politeness amongst the politicians might not go amiss. He was very nice to Yvette et al in his speech. Treating your opponents with respect may come back into fashion (not yet on EF, that would be asking too much) but at least not slagging them off personally is a good start.
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Old 12.09.2015, 15:36
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If "experience" is Cameron and Boris then I would rather take a chance on Corbyn. Things can`t get any worse for the majority of people in the UK.
What is going on that's so bad in the UK? I moved back recently and it's been pretty good
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What is going on that's so bad in the UK? I moved back recently and it's been pretty good
The public transport system the education system and the NHS for a start.
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Old 12.09.2015, 16:09
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The public transport system the education system and the NHS for a start.
You've been reading the dailymail a bit too much methinks.
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You've been reading the dailymail a bit too much methinks.
And you're living in Scotland, public services there are excellent e.g. compared to the South East of England.
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You've been reading the dailymail a bit too much methinks.
Not at all. Based on my own experience of going back to provincial England where there is not only no bus service on Sundays, no timetable at the bus stop to tell you so despite the fact that when the train service was axed there was a promise of a replacement bus sevice.

My mum, aged ninety was kept waiting in a corridor in her nighty for six hours (clutching her clothes in a plastic bag) for a collective ambulance to take her home on a thirty mile journey (in January) dropping off patients on the way that turned into a three hour trip.

And the village school that has turned half the playground into a car park for the teachers.

I could go on but what is the point?

PS what is with all these methinks these days. Are there so many repressed Shakespeare scholars out there?
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Perception can change too, depending on one's life experience. If one uses private health care, private schools and never use public transport- one might see things differently, perhaps.
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Public transport in the UK is dreadful.

I've moaned about this before here, so won't detail it again, but a 10-day stay in the UK over Christmas 2013 was totally ruined by a lack of trains. The unions have managed to negotiate a virtual shutdown of overground trains over Christmas and New Year, and on two of the other days, technical failures meant the dreaded replacement bus service.

Last year I drove back for my annual long break. A hassle, but at least my fate was in my own hands.
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

I will refrain from commenting since it's about the new labour leader and not about the state of the UK.


More than happy to discuss in PM though.

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Public transport in the UK is dreadful.

I've moaned about this before here, so won't detail it again, but a 10-day stay in the UK over Christmas 2013 was totally ruined by a lack of trains. The unions have managed to negotiate a virtual shutdown of overground trains over Christmas and New Year, and on two of the other days, technical failures meant the dreaded replacement bus service.

Last year I drove back for my annual long break. A hassle, but at least my fate was in my own hands.
40 years ago there were no trains on Xmas day or Boxing day either.
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We live out in the sticks- our last bus from the Valley is just before half past midnight- and the first one in the morning at 6.12- and they then run every hour- hurrah. Our local school has 15 in each class ... Average class size in England is 25, with 1 in 8 children taught in classes of 30 or more
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Public transport in the UK is dreadful.

I've moaned about this before here, so won't detail it again, but a 10-day stay in the UK over Christmas 2013 was totally ruined by a lack of trains. The unions have managed to negotiate a virtual shutdown of overground trains over Christmas and New Year, and on two of the other days, technical failures meant the dreaded replacement bus service.

Last year I drove back for my annual long break. A hassle, but at least my fate was in my own hands.
It's not the unions, Railtrack do their big maintenance on Bank Holidays, it's folly to travel by train then.
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I will refrain from commenting since it's about the new labour leader and not about the state of UK.


More than happy to discuss in PM though.
"What is going on that's so bad in the UK? I moved back recently and it's been pretty good"

Is that the new labour leader or the state of UK. (sic)
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"What is going on that's so bad in the UK? I moved back recently and it's been pretty good"

Is that the new labour leader or the state of UK. (sic)
Which is why I've stopped commenting? It's well off topic and I don't want the thread to go further off topic on a debate which will result in nobody changing their mind.

But if you want to in PM then please PM me
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Cameron and Corbyn, can it get any worse for team GB.
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I wonder what the next 15 years of Tory rule will bring?
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Doom and gloom?
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Doom and gloom?
The British people bring that on themselves without any help from the government.
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There were 44 pupils in my last class at secondary school in the UK -and six classes in total, to cope with all us babyboomers, as we subsequently became known. However, all students received an excellent education, (going on to further education), due to the competence of the teaching staff, the likes of which, regretfully, one no longer finds in the UK.
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We live out in the sticks- our last bus from the Valley is just before half past midnight- and the first one in the morning at 6.12- and they then run every hour- hurrah.
Our last is at 7PM.

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We're at the UK average, then.

So, what's your point again?

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