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Jeremy Corbyn and his Deputy Tom Watson grew up in the Midlands.... thought you'd be pleased
So did Neville Chamberlain...
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

Andy Burnham is new Shadow Home Secretary, good conciliatory move by JC.
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

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"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...and.devolution

Comments by the new Shadow Chancellor. Classy guy...

Maybe this is what Corbyn was thinking. Maybe they lost the last election because they weren't pro IRA enough?
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Jeremy Corbyn and his Deputy Tom Watson grew up in the Midlands.... thought you'd be pleased

Tom and Jerry then?
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Old 14.09.2015, 10:57
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Comments by the new Shadow Chancellor. Classy guy...

Maybe this is what Corbyn was thinking. Maybe they lost the last election because they weren't pro IRA enough?
I hate to say this, but I think Corbyn needs an Alastair Campbell to keep his party on message and in check. Not that I want the bad old days of spin doctoring, but MPs should know when to keep their views to themselves for the greater good.
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

So Union leader says stop criticizing Corbyn or leave the party:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ion-paul-kenny

That doesn't sound very democratic. Sounds like a cult of personality.

Furthermore, they claim a huge mandate for Corbyn, yet they allowed people to buy votes, the kinds of votes they happened to agree with.

Is it really so easy to usurp a democracy? It is if the population is as stupid.

This can potentially turn ugly with Labour unleashing mobs of protesters to gridlock the country. I think it would be a mistake for Conservatives to move to the Right because of this. Conservative ought to be able move to the center to gain ground.
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There was talk of the unions working together to grind the country to halt and to try to bring the tory government down.

That can only end well
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This can potentially turn ugly with Labour unleashing mobs of protesters to gridlock the country.

Mobs of protesters? And where are they going to get them from? The overwhelming majority of Brits have no time for any of this nonsense.




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The Tories need do no more than sit and watch and wait. No need to move even closer to the vacuous "centre" to chase votes which will already be theirs for the taking.
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So did Neville Chamberlain...
And just look where that got us!
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Old 14.09.2015, 12:11
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Mobs of protesters? And where are they going to get them from? The overwhelming majority of Brits have no time for any of this nonsense.
Here we see a Union leader vying to be the Whip of the party. I assume he see an opportunity to leverage union members to elevate his position and self-interests. Nevermind discourse, stop party dissent, establish a party politburo. These are straight from socialists playbooks. As for what they would protest about, doesn't matter much right now as they can fabricate one later.
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Here we see a Union leader vying to be the Whip of the party. I assume he see an opportunity to leverage union members to elevate his position and self-interests. Nevermind discourse, stop party dissent, establish a party politburo. These are straight from socialists playbooks.
Maybe so. They make Labour unelectable for the foreseeable future, so hardly the end of the world.


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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

After watching breakfast TV, it became very clear which way the labour party is moving: back to the bad old days!

David Cameron will be sleeping very well in the future, and he hasn't done very much to deserve it!

They say Jeremy Corbyn has never held a political office, he was always the protester, never the leader. Half the labour MPs refuse to support him, and so his opposition cabinet are at best "not experienced". I can't wait to read the next issue of Private Eye, they usually print the real story, behind the news story...

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Old 14.09.2015, 22:32
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After watching breakfast TV, it became very clear which way the labour party is moving: back to the bad old days!

Trident nuclear weapons: scrapped. The Army: abolished. The banks: nationalised... these newly 'elected' people make the old 1970's Labour leaders look like angels.

David Cameron will be sleeping very well in the future, and he hasn't done very much to deserve it!

They say Jeremy Corbyn has never held a political office, he was always the protester, never the leader. Half the labour MPs refuse to support him, and so his opposition cabinet are at best "not experienced". I can't wait to read the next issue of Private Eye, they usually print the real story, behind the news story...

and they want to stay in the EU
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After watching breakfast TV, it became very clear which way the labour party is moving: back to the bad old days!

Trident nuclear weapons: scrapped. The Army: abolished. The banks: nationalised... these newly 'elected' people make the old 1970's Labour leaders look like angels.

David Cameron will be sleeping very well in the future, and he hasn't done very much to deserve it!

They say Jeremy Corbyn has never held a political office, he was always the protester, never the leader. Half the labour MPs refuse to support him, and so his opposition cabinet are at best "not experienced". I can't wait to read the next issue of Private Eye, they usually print the real story, behind the news story...
Was the lurid Headline in today's Sun



...but buried deeper inside the paper was the real story i.e. he made an off the cuff remark 3 years prior marvelling at how Costa Rica had abolished its army and was now sailing up the the Global Peace Index. Imagining a world with no weapons and nukes is not the same as saying that we should abolish the British Army. That would be like calling John Lennon anti-Semitic for once writing '..imagine there was no religion'

Please check the provenance of what you quote next time, it saves me having to do it
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

British politics have never been in a worse state, with the SNP bullying Scotland and these terrorist sympathizers now running Labour.

John McDonnell.
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It is so sad seeing what was once a wonderful, proud nation, slowly but surely being torn apart by horrible horrible people.
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Was the lurid Headline in today's Sun

...but buried deeper inside the paper was the real story i.e. he made an off the cuff remark 3 years prior marvelling at how Costa Rica had abolished its army and was now sailing up the the Global Peace Index. Imagining a world with no weapons and nukes is not the same as saying that we should abolish the British Army. That would be like calling John Lennon anti-Semitic for once writing '..imagine there was no religion'

Please check the provenance of what you quote next time, it saves me having to do it
I don't read the Sun, I had quoted national TV.

Now, after I have read the published manifesto, I have edited the offending posting.

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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

If you look at Corbyn's first order of business, it is to attack the Trade Union Reform Bill. That's his forte, and his modus operandi. If he's not able to strike and mobilize a mob, he wouldn't be of much significamce. Wouldn't a rational exchange of his ideas be enough for discourse? Or does his chosen tactic already answer that question?
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...but buried deeper inside the paper was the real story i.e. he made an off the cuff remark 3 years prior marvelling at how Costa Rica had abolished its army and was now sailing up the the Global Peace Index. Imagining a world with no weapons and nukes is not the same as saying that we should abolish the British Army. That would be like calling John Lennon anti-Semitic for once writing '..imagine there was no religion'

Please check the provenance of what you quote next time, it saves me having to do it

Published summary of his manifesto

A new national investment bank to encourage growth and reduce the deficit
Public ownership of the railway and energy sector
Replace Trident with jobs that retain the skills of the workers
Reduce the welfare bill through growth and investment
Housebuilding programme and rent controls
Integrate social care with the NHS
A new national education service providing universal childcare, abolishing student fees, restoring grants and funding adult skills
Scrap zero hours contracts and a national living wage for all, regardless of age

About "Integrate social care with the NHS" good idea; once people are in a 9 month queue for benefits they will seek work

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So... who's got money on the return of Bonnie Prince Milliband from over the water?
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

With the idiots that voted for Corbyn in charge of the situation, I wouldn't waste my money.

Many people would like a more caring government, but I don't think anybody wants an extremely left wing government, throwing their tax money away: I think we saw that in the results for the Scottish referendum.

(I have used up my postings quota, so I am editing, and slipping this item in here,)

Unhelpful or untrue Corbyn headlines,

http://rebrn.com/re/how-to-speak-corbyn-a-headline-writer-guide-private-eye-731068/

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