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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

Seems like a sign of desperation. In NFL Football, it would be called a Hail Mary Pass. Except it sometimes succeeds. I don't think this is as simple as the Conservatives imagine it to be. I wouldn't underestimate this radical faction.

It is apparently fairly easy to stir up mass-hysteria with cleverly placed media stories. The Guardian is quite adept at this, and it is done routinely. Just start showing pictures of dead babies, or something like that.
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I don't think this is as simple as the Conservatives imagine it to be. I wouldn't underestimate this radical faction.
Of course it's simple. English people aren't stupid. The Labour party is unelectable until Mr Corbyn is deposed - which isn't likely to take long, by the looks of it.
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With the idiots that voted for Corbyn in charge of the situation, I wouldn't waste my money.

Many people would like a more caring government, but I don't think anybody wants an extremely left wing government, throwing their tax money away: I think we saw that in the results for the Scottish referendum.


He sounds like Ramsey McDonald, Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson. But beside this, the Brits have again and again proven to be unpredictable. So that I can well imagine the chap to move into Downing Street
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He sounds like Ramsey McDonald, Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson. But beside this, the Brits have again and again proven to be unpredictable. So that I can well imagine the chap to move into Downing Street
When have they? Westminster hasn't been under the control of left wingers since 1979. That's almost 40 years of centrist or conservative government. Looks pretty predictable to me.
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

What the Labour party has done is to effectively marginalise any centre-left and Blairite voters. They will have no option but to not vote or go LibDem in the next election; who are probably loving all this.
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

I'm glad Corbyn is in. The Labour party has become a center party, and the Tories a slightly right of center party, both in the clutches/awe of the bankers.
It's about time we had a different shade of grey.

What's wrong with re-evaluating the railways and the banks?
If retail banking was nationalised, and investment left private, what's the big deal?
The railways make massive profits and take massive subsidies, so most profit comes from the taxpayers anyway.

Housing/Europe/immigration, they're the key topics in the UK currently.
If he promises to build more affordable housing, and lots of it, he stands a reasonable chance, IMO.
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I'm glad Corbyn is in. The Labour party has become a center party, and the Tories a slightly right of center party, both in the clutches/awe of the bankers.
It's about time we had a different shade of grey.

What's wrong with re-evaluating the railways and the banks?
If retail banking was nationalised, and investment left private, what's the big deal?
The railways make massive profits and take massive subsidies, so most profit comes from the taxpayers anyway.

Housing/Europe/immigration, they're the key topics in the UK currently.
If he promises to build more affordable housing, and lots of it, he stands a reasonable chance, IMO.
Really? I mean, REALLY? Can you remember British Rail? It was absolutely awful.

Let's put Corbyn's victory in perspective. Less than 1% of the electorate voted for him. His win may have pleased a few Guardian readers and champagne socialists, but he's got no chance of getting the top job.
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I've heard and read an awful lot about "Labour returning to its roots" etc etc. Unfortunately for them, that lies on the fringes of the 21st century UK political spectrum.
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His win may have pleased a few Guardian readers and champagne socialists

Funnily enough, the impression I got while reading the Guardian over the weekend was that your average Guardianista is scared shitless by the reality of a proper socialist being in charge of the party.


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Really? I mean, REALLY? Can you remember British Rail? It was absolutely awful.

Let's put Corbyn's victory in perspective. Less than 1% of the electorate voted for him. His win may have pleased a few Guardian readers and champagne socialists, but he's got no chance of getting the top job.

The current system is just as bad.


Here in Switzerland, people get used to the trains and don't understand the state of the UK train network as it really is. They remember it as it was 5, 10 15 years ago. In that time, UK Rail has not progressed as it should. In a lot of ways, it has regressed, ever becoming worse value for money.


Regarding nationalising the rail system - Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands, and France are all proof that, if administered correctly, a nationalised train system can work and work very well. DB is a national rail company, that is run as if it is a private company. I see no reason that couldn't be the case in the UK. Any good that has come out of the UK Rail system being privatised has been counterbalanced with the greed of the operators, and the battering they have delivered to travellers, in the form of repeated and unjustified price rises.


To your point about the 1%, Corbyn's strength is not in the electorate of the last election. Few people who habitually vote labour are realistically going to be so turned off by Corbyn that they vote Tory or Lib-Dem (Tory lite). Sure, labour may lose the blairite component of the party, but as the election showed, this is not a majority of either the parliamentary party or the supporters. Corbyn is, more then any other candidate and party) able to mobilise lots of first-time voters, and bring people back in to the labour fold who disliked blairism, not a small amount. He also stands a damn sight better chance of regaining (some) seats in Scotland.


While the chances of him having No 10 are slim, they are not infinitely small. And, its not out of the realms of possibility that he represents a genuine challenge to the Conservative government.
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Really? I mean, REALLY? Can you remember British Rail? It was absolutely awful.

Let's put Corbyn's victory in perspective. Less than 1% of the electorate voted for him. His win may have pleased a few Guardian readers and champagne socialists, but he's got no chance of getting the top job.
The UK has been sold to private companies who are milking the taxpayers.
High house prices are only benefiting the banks.
PFI costs the NHS millions a week, as do the railways.
Who's to say that BR would be worse than the current situation today, that everyone complains about anyway?

Corbyn may have no chance at the top job, but at least his policies (if they get past the Labour policy making process) will be noticeably different from the Tories and give people food for thought.

Everything is cyclical, Labour will get back in sooner or later.
Who's to say how the Syria, Europe, global debt bubble, housing un-affordability issues will change people's opinion in the next couple of years?
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Everything is cyclical, Labour will get back in sooner or later.

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I was planning on voting Whig at the next election!
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Re: British Labour Leadership contest

If a candidate in a political organization which enjoys the support of the corporations is not completely loyal to the ruling elite then they dont make it to the leadership. This is the reality.

Left or right wing means, in practice, very little. Take from here to give there. One member of the elite has one tiny little sector of their empire suffer while the other sector gets the cash. Or some other simple system. More money for education is easy to say when another government office suffers. Honestly it is fascinating to see people argue until the cows come home about what this leader is giving Vs the opposition. I.E. What they stand for compared to the other.

Jeremy is a fake. He views himself as the master of the universe. Bull in a china shop who gives a damn about innocent bystanders. Acceptable losses etc.

Does anyone in their wildest dreams think that Jeremy is going to defeat the bankers, military elite and so on? Holy moly, the entire upperclass, if this was actualy true would be laughing their heads off at this moron who is about to give peace makers a bad name. Perhaps this is even the grand plan? Probably. Present the masses with the peace nutter and then let Jeremy walk off a cliff, probably all by himself. Thats all a pipe dream though. He is bent to the core. And he has major mental issues. The least spending MP? He has been depositing, big time. And this is his chance to do the big sell out and cash in.
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I've heard and read an awful lot about "Labour returning to its roots" etc etc. Unfortunately for them, that lies on the fringes of the 21st century UK political spectrum.
I'm 100% positive they won't/can't go back to 70's Labour, the UK has changed too much for that. The unions are practically a spent force.

I would expect that if Corbyn comes up with policies that the people agree with (such as a nationalised house building scheme/nationalise the railways etc) then the Tories will have to up their game and actually explain why those policies are bad/unworkable or why it's better under the Tories.

Over the past few years, the Tories haven't delivered much/anything for the majority of the population to be happy about.
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If a candidate in a political organization which enjoys the support of the corporations is not completely loyal to the ruling elite then they dont make it to the leadership. This is the reality.

Left or right wing means, in practice, very little. Take from here to give there. One member of the elite has one tiny little sector of their empire suffer while the other sector gets the cash. Or some other simple system. More money for education is easy to say when another government office suffers. Honestly it is fascinating to see people argue until the cows come home about what this leader is giving Vs the opposition. I.E. What they stand for compared to the other.

Jeremy is a fake. He views himself as the master of the universe. Bull in a china shop who gives a damn about innocent bystanders. Acceptable losses etc.

Does anyone in their wildest dreams think that Jeremy is going to defeat the bankers, military elite and so on? Holy moly, the entire upperclass, if this was actualy true would be laughing their heads off at this moron who is about to give peace makers a bad name. Perhaps this is even the grand plan? Probably. Present the masses with the peace nutter and then let Jeremy walk off a cliff, probably all by himself. Thats all a pipe dream though. He is bent to the core. And he has major mental issues. The least spending MP? He has been depositing, big time. And this is his chance to do the big sell out and cash in.

... or, summed up in one word: SYRIZA!
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When have they? Westminster hasn't been under the control of left wingers since 1979. That's almost 40 years of centrist or conservative government. Looks pretty predictable to me.


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But the UK doesn't vote for Prime Ministers, they vote for MPs. In a NFL Hail Mary play, you double your defense against the tight ends and wide receivers, not the quarterback. Excessive focus on Corbyn can lose the play. What needs to be watched is how he serves up issues to his MPs and henchmen, how his team handles scrap plays, not really Corbyn's idiosyncracies.
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Seriously Wolli, where do you get your ideas?
Major was centre-right, both Blair and Brown were centre-left. Callaghan was traditional Labour and was kicked out in '79. Where the hell did you get the 2010 from, or is that a by-product of your abysmal formatting skills?
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Eh?

Can't make head nor tail of most of it but Irrespective of his political allegiance James Callaghan was definitely not PM in 2010.
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But the UK doesn't vote for Prime Ministers, they vote for MPs. In a NFL Hail Mary play, you double your defense against the tight ends and wide receivers, not the quarterback. Excessive focus on Corbyn can lose the play. What needs to be watched is how he serves up issues to his MPs and henchmen, how his team handles scrap plays, not really Corbyn's idiosyncracies.
Has Phos' account been hacked by a bot? I don't understand a word of this.
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