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Could an American citizen explain to an non-American the attraction for someone like Donald Trump?
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1) He's saying alot of the right things at the right time, in a direct no-holes-barred way

2) The pendulum has swung too far to the Left (Democrats) in the US, and now needs to swing back to the Right (Republicans)

3) The rest of the candidates are either unknown or just really bad.

I wouldn't worry tho, I don't think Trump will actually become president, he's got alot of time to implode on himself, which most believe will happen, given his brash and outspoken manner.
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4) He has loads of money, so he can buy loads of positive airtime.
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Re: Donald Trump and Co

fun to watch while I brush my teeth...
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5. We can't resist a good circus? Or a train-wreck?

Honestly I cannot understand the appeal - I'm left speechless when I read the polls. I wonder if there is a sort of groundswell of folks wanting/needing to show a collective middle finger to the Powers That Be. Whoever they are. Show our distaste for the shambles our body politic has become by electing a clown...
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Every circus has a clown, oder.
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People like that trump can thumb his nose at the Republican establishment. They love the outsider aspect. They are, however mistaken in the belief that Trump anything like them.
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Re: Donald Trump and Co

Trump is to the US what Berlusconi is to Italy....bunga bunga
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Re: Donald Trump and Co

Trump appeals on the same basis as Le Pen or other nationalist/isolationist politicians in Europe. He says the things that people who are worried about unrestricted immigration want to hear. The concerns of the Republican voting rank-and-file have never been well-represented by the choices put in-front of them by the establishment. They were slower to adopt to the internet, but now you're seeing more and more sophisticated bottom-up organization from Republicans (or more generally conservatives and reactionaries who are tired of Republicans).

He's saying what the UK's secretary Hammond is saying, but in a less PC way. The slate of candidates from both parties this round of presidential elections is massively uninspiring so Trump gets a big hunk of the protest vote from people who would like to see things burn to the ground so they can rebuild from scratch.

I don't know if Trump will stay in past the mandatory financial disclosures. He's essentially admitted to bribing politicians from both parties. On the other hand, the trust of the US people in congress and government is so low, I'm not sure too many people would be shocked.

Saying anti-PC things will also draw a lot of support from people who are tired of it and speech policing in general.
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It's a bit like Alan Sugar being considered for British PM. *shudders*
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He has a cat on his head and people like that in the USA ! Bet a dog would get even more votes !!!!
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I wouldn't worry tho, I don't think Trump will actually become president..

If he does, there'll be hell toupee..
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Show our distaste for the shambles our body politic has become by electing a clown...
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People like that trump can thumb his nose at the Republican establishment. They love the outsider aspect. They are, however mistaken in the belief that Trump anything like them.
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Trump is to the US what Berlusconi is to Italy....bunga bunga
I've said time and again that Trump appeals to the same people that Berlusconi appealed to (at least when he started out): gullible people who never really followed the political debate, but had enough of the traditional politicians, i.e. the same old faces left and right, wanted "a change" and believed the first guy who could talk well.

Trump has that "shock" factor (i.e. no filter), while Berlusconi at the beginning of his political career had all the smoothness of a skillful salesman (think U.S. car dealers who will sell you their mom with the car). Then, as the years went by, he (Berlusconi) became more senile, and we saw more of that no-filter talk.

I am borderline scared at the polls - I want to believe that Trump is no real option, but after all, we did get Mr. B for 20 years...
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If you watch the last debate, in two parts, you'll find that every candidate will slant his words, and say something that seems to be just right for the domestic audience they are speaking to. I know for a fact their words run counter to what their previous actions were, and they would behave differently if elected - In other words, they lie.

Donald says whatever he wants, and comes off as more truthful. Wrong, but truthful. The attraction is due to people's frustration with American politics.

I don't believe he's a Conservative. He might subscribe to Conservative fiscal values that made people like him rich. But socially, I believe he's a wacko liberal who could hand the presidency to Hillary if he were to run independently.
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If he does, there'll be hell toupee..
Ooooo, I wish I'd thought of that.

That was a Grade A pun.
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1) He's saying alot of the right things at the right time, in a direct no-holes-barred way

2) The pendulum has swung too far to the Left (Democrats) in the US, and now needs to swing back to the Right (Republicans)

3) The rest of the candidates are either unknown or just really bad.

I wouldn't worry tho, I don't think Trump will actually become president, he's got alot of time to implode on himself, which most believe will happen, given his brash and outspoken manner.

2) what? We have a republican controlled congress and the Neo-cons still control the unelected government.

Hillary nor Donald stand a chance to Bernie Sanders. Look at the numbers and Bernnie is besting them all. 28,000 people last rally in Portland and getting +10,000 people even in RED STATES.
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Re: Donald Trump and Co

The most worrying thing about the Republicans getting to power are their threats to unravel the Iranian nuclear deal, and perhaps even turn back relations with Cuba. So far Trump has shown the least interest in foreign policy (e.g. he's on record as having opposed the Iraq war) and therefore for me as a non-American I see Trump as being the least awful.

Anyway, can't you guys just do a minor edit of Amendment XXII and let Obama serve a 3rd term? He's still young, vibrant and the best of a pretty bad bunch.
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The most worrying thing about the Republicans getting to power are their threats to unravel the Iranian nuclear deal, and perhaps even turn back relations with Cuba. So far Trump has shown the least interest in foreign policy (e.g. he's on record as having opposed the Iraq war) and therefore for me as a non-American I see Trump as being the least awful.

Anyway, can't you guys just do a minor edit of Amendment XXII and let Obama serve a 3rd term? He's still young, vibrant and the best of a pretty bad bunch.

Don't worry. What you hear today in election campaigns is purely for domestic consumption. It means little except for forming allegiances with donors, and fundraising. This explains why Donald can say what he says.

For anyone who is elected President, they are then debriefed with reality, and forget about what was said in the campaigns. Case in point, Obama said he would close Guatanamo on day 1. Our presidents are not dictators. Its the departments of Government that determine a President's decisions and actions.

For the time being, think of it as X-Factor without the singing and the bling.
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