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27.08.2015, 22:22
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | Yes, I question the truthfulness of most government officials, whether elected or appointed (they routinely prove themselves untrustworthy at worst, and questionably honest at best) — especially when they've been handed an opportunity by current events to expand state power at the expense of the liberty and/or property of the common citizen. | | | | | Interesting. In the "Russia/NATO" thread, you have questioned the motives "NATO minions" and "European oligarchs" many times, but yet I can't find a single instance of you doubting/questioning Putin's motives or actions at all. Is there a reason for that?
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28.08.2015, 03:26
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | Terror is a political tool: threaten civilians with violence to achieve political goals.
It's a very powerful tool - individuals and governments have changed their behavior because of Terror and this is why Terrorists should be punished more severely than criminals. | | | | | For the record: Terrorism was invented by Jews.
Terrorism remains today a tool of certain Jews (see here too). These quotes are posted purely for informational purposes, not to fuel any anti-semitic fires.
Bottom line: Terrorism is not new to Palestine. | This user groans at Texaner for this post: | | 
28.08.2015, 08:30
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Not sure how this is relevant in any way to the subject. Could you please clarify?
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28.08.2015, 08:42
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: |  | | | Not sure how this is relevant in any way to the subject. Could you please clarify? | | | | | I happily grant that there's scant immediate relevance, and am willing to delete the post on that ground, if it seems to be on that basis alone entirely appropriate. But in light of the more-often-than-not zionist agenda of the previous poster, I think some documented context of the origin of terrorism was appropriate to a discussion in which s/he wants to assume the role of defining terms.
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28.08.2015, 09:04
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | Terror is a political tool: threaten civilians with violence to achieve political goals.
It's a very powerful tool - individuals and governments have changed their behavior because of Terror and this is why Terrorists should be punished more severely than criminals. | | | | | In what way have terrorists changed our behaviour?
Thanks to them we now have arduous airport security and the state is listening to our phone calls and reading our emails.
But the terrorsists didn't do that. Our governments did that. The terrorsists were just a useful bogeyman to blame.
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28.08.2015, 09:17
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | In what way have terrorists changed our behaviour?
Thanks to them we now have arduous airport security and the state is listening to our phone calls and reading our emails.
But the terrorsists didn't do that. Our governments did that. The terrorsists were just a useful bogeyman to blame. | | | | |
Terrorists created a general mood where people get into Panic out of nothing. Where a love for security leads to restrictions on freedom and liberty. Where tolerance gets reduced
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28.08.2015, 20:08
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | Terrorists created a general mood where people get into Panic out of nothing. Where a love for security leads to restrictions on freedom and liberty. Where tolerance gets reduced | | | | | That's all slowly changing, however. The French prosecutor apparently charged el-Khazzani with attempted murder, possession of weapons, and conspiracy — all as "terrorism" charges. Exactly with whom he conspired hasn't been revealed. Exactly which terrorist organization's agenda he was seeking to advance hasn't been revealed.
And if these details never materialize the prosecutor will have laid down one more precedent in which "terrorism" can be charged by such a loose use of the word that it will become applicable to a much larger range of people whom the state dislikes — not unlike how Poroshenko branded as "terrorists" his own countrymen seeking self-determination in the wake of the 2014 coup in Kiev.
My hunch is that in the same way ruling classes have rendered the voicing of disapproval into punishable "hate speech," they will render whatever category of persons they (dis)like into "terrorists" so they can be punished more severely than had they not been so branded. The meaning of the word will have become redefined for political purposes.
And the media will always report it as the work of "officials" so the masses will be inclined to acquiesce.
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28.08.2015, 20:48
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Yep! I knew it! Dam' it, they, they're the source of all evils. 
You would have thought Auschwitz and Birkenau have cured some of these.....sentiments.
Whatever.. | Quote: | |  | | | [/INDENT]These quotes are posted purely for informational purposes, not to fuel any anti-semitic fires. | | | | | I know, you've been to Israel and met wonderful people! 
We've seen all of these, Texaner.
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28.08.2015, 21:51
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Please tell us what you are drinking? I would like some | 
28.08.2015, 21:54
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28.08.2015, 22:09
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | In what way have terrorists changed our behaviour?
. | | | | | 1.Tourism is one Exemple - the attacks in tunisia had a big impact on a major industry.
2.Freedom of expression: there will be no Muslim version of "life of brian"
3. Last but not least, soviet Terror helped to install communist governments in central europe after ww2. Anne Applebaum's "Iron curtain" is an excellent Source.
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28.08.2015, 23:20
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | That's all slowly changing, however. The French prosecutor apparently charged el-Khazzani with attempted murder, possession of weapons, and conspiracy — all as "terrorism" charges. Exactly with whom he conspired hasn't been revealed. Exactly which terrorist organization's agenda he was seeking to advance hasn't been revealed.
And if these details never materialize the prosecutor will have laid down one more precedent in which "terrorism" can be charged by such a loose use of the word that it will become applicable to a much larger range of people whom the state dislikes — not unlike how Poroshenko branded as "terrorists" his own countrymen seeking self-determination in the wake of the 2014 coup in Kiev.
My hunch is that in the same way ruling classes have rendered the voicing of disapproval into punishable "hate speech," they will render whatever category of persons they (dis)like into "terrorists" so they can be punished more severely than had they not been so branded. The meaning of the word will have become redefined for political purposes.
And the media will always report it as the work of "officials" so the masses will be inclined to acquiesce. | | | | | Being charged with a crime is not the same as being found guilty of a crime; precedents are only set by results. Anyway France legal system is based on Code Napoleon which isn't a precedent based system.
Article 5 of the Code Napoléon proscribes the use of precedents by judges
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29.08.2015, 14:48
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train
Lorena1 you're a troll | Quote: | |  | | |
Exactly. Stereotyping is very pervasive as this thread shows, but it's pointless to make assumptions before we have any information.
@Marton,
LOL, if you want to point at someone who refuses to respond to posts that challenge their concepts then try looking in a mirror can you give concrete examples?
About "it impossible to have a constructive discussion." true when you keep trying to spin other peoples posts into claims of Islamic terrorism or Jihadists when you are the only one using these labels. No spinning here. I think I’ve been pretty clear. But thanks for mentioning that. I realize I should have said muslim, like others before me, because as your comments show, Jihad is a term that’s loaded with mistranslated concepts and has many meanings. Ironically, I've used the term to point out how silly it is to make assumptions based on one's own perceptions and you rightly recognized it to be wrong.
As you pointed it out, you interpreted it as a radical religion, or perhaps holy war. However, I used the term to address the fact that he was muslim, because jihad in a linguistic sense means striving (to be a better person). It is more often than not misused in the media, as it is by terrorist groups to radicalize individuals. So apologize if you thought by jihad I meant he was a radical muslim terrorist. I only used Jihad, because others before him called him a muslim and Jihad is a term to describe those scholars of Islam who make an effort to live according to Islamic law. It might have been clumsy to use this term though, so thanks for pointing it out.
By the way a friend’s name is Jihad.. Poor thing doesn’t have it easy these days.
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@ Lorena 1 - you want to practice what you preach?
You've groaned at me in around 5-6 posts today, within 2 different threads.
I've no problem with this - but I did listen to your defence statements to this terrorist without comment or groans for a good couple of days... I wasn't aware I was preaching. Can you say what exactly you mean? If you meant my post on acting civilized than yes I stand behind it. Did not think groaning would be hurtful for you, so I apologize and will not comment or groan on you in the future. What happened is I found some of the things you’ve said questionable,looked up what other things you’ve said and those Ive found silly or ignorant I’ve groaned at. No big deal but if it bothers you overly much, I’ll un-groan (is that possible?). It was never my intention to hurt you. Back to the topic: I was one of the first to say how thankful I was that those guys acted how they did. Hero is a widely used term nowadays but in this case it is more than justified to call them heroes.
You have to be able to differentiate between appropriate acting when a crime is being committed and that afterwards My comments on correct definitions of terrorism vs other crimes, as well as stereotyping are in relation to the post-crime / trial phase. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. | | | | | | This user would like to thank bigblue2 for this useful post: | | 
31.08.2015, 17:43
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Probably not relevant here but not sure where would be! The latest news from Birmingham university could be interesting,
Seems they found fragments of an even older Koran bound into a 7th century Koran in the Cadbury library (yes the choccie man). Carbon dating showed they are from the time of the Prophet (or even earlier).
If true, could blow a big hole in the belief that the Koran has been handed down unchanged (and initially verbally) direct from the Prophet | This user would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
08.10.2015, 17:27
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One of the men who foiled the attack on the French train, Airman Spencer Stone is now in stable condition after being stabbed in Sacramento yesterday .. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/...cal-condition/ | 
09.10.2015, 16:47
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Looks like he has a very interesting life | 
09.10.2015, 22:13
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| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | Looks like he has a very interesting life  | | | | |
At least "has" not "had"
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10.10.2015, 10:51
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Courageous guy who appears to have chronic hero syndrome.
From what I've read it looks like he was on a night out with friends when he noticed a woman being punched by (what news sources assume it was) her boyfriend outside a club.
News sources say there is a camera footage showing the men who stabbed him, as well as the victim getting into a car with the men.  The attackers haven’t been found yet.
He underwent surgery and is expected to make full recovery.
Hoping he gets well very soon. It's very remarkable of him to single-handedly interfere to save that woman. He sounds like a very fine young man, but I hope next time he witnesses (domestic) violence, he calls the police instead of putting his life at risk again. | Quote: | |  | | | At least "has" not "had" | | | | | | 
10.10.2015, 11:24
| | Re: Two US Marines take down a gunman on a Paris train | Quote: | |  | | | I hope next time he witnesses (domestic) violence, he calls the police instead of putting his life at risk again. | | | | | ... and then stands twiddling his thumbs for half an hour while he waits for them to arrive?
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11.10.2015, 07:29
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we have to appreciate and love Switzerland! the USA is a jungle! soldiers have a higher chance of dying at home driving on USA roads than in a foreign war zone!
but that's what the USA is all about. Its all an experiment. Research (involving people)
I am sure some of you know how many drugs like heroin was developed and tested...
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