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Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

Women-only train carriages.

Labour leadership frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn has said he would consider introducing women-only carriages on public transport to help reduce harassment.

They would also be great for Switzerland too no? In fact US subway, London Underground, etc. fantastic Jeremy!
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Re: Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

Third world countries have women only carriages too. Perhaps that's his long term aim.

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Re: Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

It would be a better, more long-term solution (if it is actually a problem in the first place) to tackle the underlying issues of why some people may feel unsafe on trains/other transport. This just smacks of hiding inconvenient problems away.

If people are feeling threatened it's unlikely to just be women who feel that way, and it's unlikely to just be men who are causing the threatening behaviour... have you seen a gang of girls having an argument?! It can be vicious.

It's a societal thing and a knee-jerk 'temporary measure' type reaction may do more harm than good.
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Re: Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

In my view it's a dumb idea, they should solve any issues with harrassment by improving security generally, and by making is socially unacceptable.

I wasn't aware of it being a significant issue in Switzerland.
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In my view it's a dumb idea, they should solve any issues with harrassment by improving security generally, and by making is socially unacceptable.

I wasn't aware of it being a significant issue in Switzerland.
The idea is going to be put to women, as one would sensibly expect. I think the service at night would be very good.

It doesn't also necessarily have to be 'an issue' as you put it, does it? Women may not feel safe in certain areas/on certain trains when travelling so it would help them to feel safer and therefore have a more pleasant journey which, in my view, is a good idea.
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Re: Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

We could also reserve certain seats on buses for blacks, and also certain drinking fountains, just to protect them from harrasment mind you
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Re: Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

This was probably a well-intentioned idea but doesn't seem to have been fully thought out.

Proper security in the first place is more important. Whilst most violence towards women may be by men it is not exclusive.

If the person with the gun on the French train had been in a woman only carriage, it is less likely that other women who were in there because they felt vulnerable would have been as able to overpower them. I realise that is a very extreme example but there is generally safety in numbers. Isolating people who feel vulnerable may actually make things worse
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The idea is going to be put to women, as one would sensibly expect. I think the service at night would be very good.

It doesn't also necessarily have to be 'an issue' as you put it, does it? Women may not feel safe in certain areas/on certain trains when travelling so it would help them to feel safer and therefore have a more pleasant journey which, in my view, is a good idea.
In a democracy we don't put ideas to a vote only from the people who would benefit. Except in apartheid era South Africa of course.

I would like a carriage that has no audible music, no people who smell, no noisy children and only people who have short legs that don't cross the centre line of opposing seats.

However, I'm reasonable enough to accept that I have to share this with everyone and pay a fare reflecting reasonable compromises. I don't see any reason to accept a sexist proposal to give others more rights on the same service.
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I would like a carriage that has no audible music, no people who smell, no noisy children and only people who have short legs that don't cross the centre line of opposing seats...
It's called first class- not open to poor people.
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Re: Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

On Breakfast TV this morning, most of the female experts were NOT in favour of the idea. They demanded adequate security.

Various reasons were given, mainly that if you segregate people into weak and strong groups, the weaker group becomes even more frightened, and when they must leave the group (ie. Train) they are not feeling brave at all, and send out all the wrong signals.
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Very good idea. I'm a woman, so I'd like to travel in women carriages only.

Children bug me, so I'd like a carriage where only women with no kids under 18 can travel.

I find women chewing gum and listening to loud music are rude. So, I'd like a carriage free of those, please.

In fact, people in general bother me.

Can I please have a carriage all for me?

I'M A WOMAN!!!!
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In a democracy we don't put ideas to a vote only from the people who would benefit. Except in apartheid era South Africa of course.

I would like a carriage that has no audible music, no people who smell, no noisy children and only people who have short legs that don't cross the centre line of opposing seats.

However, I'm reasonable enough to accept that I have to share this with everyone and pay a fare reflecting reasonable compromises. I don't see any reason to accept a sexist proposal to give others more rights on the same service.
There are women-only Sauna/wellness and swimming pool days here in Switzerland, parking spaces (as someone on here pointed out) and coffee mornings! Why can't women play in the Premier league in mens football teams then? It's not really sexist to have women train carriages really for the purpose of their safety.

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There are women-only Sauna/wellness and swimming pool days here in Switzerland, parking spaces (as someone on here pointed out) and coffee mornings! Why can't women play in the Premier league in mens football teams then?It's not really sexist to have women train carriages really for the purpose of their safety.
Pointing out existing cases of sex discrimination is hardly a reason to add another.

The only one that has a clear basis is the football, simply because men are on average stronger, and clearly stronger at the higher end of fitness and training, and this is relevant in a physical sport. Of course it works the other way - men can't play in a women's league either.
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There are women-only Sauna/wellness and swimming pool days here in Switzerland, parking spaces (as someone on here pointed out) and coffee mornings! Why can't women play in the Premier league in mens football teams then? It's not really sexist to have women train carriages really for the purpose of their safety.
Aren't there also swimming pools that have days they open to Muslim women only.
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Re: Another great Jeremy Corbyn idea!

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In my view it's a dumb idea, they should solve any issues with harrassment by improving security generally, and by making is socially unacceptable.

I wasn't aware of it being a significant issue in Switzerland.
What's not dumb from Corbyn?
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What's not dumb from Corbyn?
Seriously, you're just following the media bias without really knowing what he's about.

This might give you some idea:

Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is:

"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”

And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with:

“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying:

“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”

And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.

And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.

You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie - he can't lie - he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.

His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.

Unlike the Tory manifesto with a 9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.

And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

Good, screw them. It's long overdue.

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Women-only train carriages.
Yes! I'd love to have loud women voices talk in their phone all the way during train travel. Keep all the women in one carriage!


P.S. There might be some sarcasm in the message above, at least a little bit. Maybe.
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